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I know some fermented Soy is supposed to be ok,
but something like tofu
My LLMD is very against it - she sides with the camp that it is full of toxins
Just wondering what you guys think....
I got a nifty new cookbook but a lot of the recipes use silken tofu to replace cream/dairy etc...
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Augh. NOT THIS.
Soy is going to be SLAMMED big time here, sadly.... Anyone starting a post about this should know that.
I'm not like most people here on this subject. I'm not against it at all. I think in moderation anything is okay. In my opinion, I believe beef or pork is MUCH worse than soy.
None of my doctors including LLMD(s) has had any problems with my eating soy.
I've known people who've eaten soy for a good part of their life and have never had any problems with it.
I think it may depend on the person and their views and what they've been told by doctors, friends, family, etc. But everyone has different experiences with it and you won't truly know YOUR experience with soy until you actually try it.
I've been eating soy for over 3 or 4 years and have no problems with it. I love it. I'm vegan/vegetarian, so it makes sense that I eat it and it's been fine for me.
I have been thinking of eating fish again, but not because of soy (because I LOVE soy) but just because I also really like tuna. Not sure if this is going to happen, which it may not.
ALSO - maybe a good thing before you decide to try soy (and before you decide to listen to what everyone else says about it and take as fact) is to get a foods intolerance/allergies test done. I've had it done on me through ART and it came back that my body was happy with soy/corn/wheat, etc. But did not like milk and eggs.
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It doesn't matter to me if you eat soy. I've had plenty of it in the past. If it doesn't bother you, that's great.
But I think it's really got its drawbacks, especially the estrogen thing.
But the reason I don't eat it is because of my gluten intolerance. I suspect that casein, soy and corn are not doing me any favors either.
I avoid all of the above.
This is from the link I gave above:
"This is what the glycoproteins from gluten, casein, soy, and corn do. They coat the villi...at best...and ``kill'' the villi at worst, with the first and most severe damage taking place in the proximal third of the duodenum."
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So what about soy sauce and soy milk? Everything is bad for you it seems.
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I used to eat tofu all the time before I got sick and then started hearing bad things about it from some...
Bad things about it for someone like me, with my body's particular needs
Maybe for some who have a different physiological makeup it's fine in moderation...
Now I just have to figure out how to substitute something in new recipe book for silken tofu...
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quote:Originally posted by NMN: So what about soy sauce and soy milk? Everything is bad for you it seems.
No, supposedly soy sauce is okay because it's fermented... But anything unfermented like soy milk and tofu, etc., is "not good for you". I don't agree with this, but, you know, everyone has their different views and different experiences with it.
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I love soy sauce but it bothers my yeast problems like nobody's business!
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Phytoestrogens found in some plants such as soy and lavender can be bad for some people and especially bad for males. Actually lavender lotions and shampoos have been found to cause breast development in young boys.
All soy isn't bad for you though. Fermented soy products can be quite healthy. For example natto is generally considered very healthy for you. As it contains nattokinase and Vitamin K2.
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Moderation...moderation...moderation. Posts: 4258 | From over there | Registered: Jul 2001
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I was a vegetarian for many years & I relied on soy products to make up for the loss of protein.
After I did some research, I decided it was a bad idea. I never noticed any overt symptoms but I have read that it can leach magnesium out of your body.
I think in traditional cultures that use soy & tofu - they don't really use it as a main ingredient to subsist off of. It's used as an accent to other foods.
It's probably OK to eat in small amounts but I don't eat it like I used to.
I think I've heard that tempe' & fermented soy is better than the other forms. You also really have to be careful to use only organic, non-genetic modified soy.
I think some of the large food conglomorates have decided to use soy as a basis for nutrition & as a healthful diet enhancement. They grow genetically modified soy.
Eating anything that is genetically modified is very risky. They have no idea how this will effect the human body - especially, in generations down the line.
Most of the world is rejecting all genetically modified foods. I think they are a very bad idea.
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I switched to soy milk from dairy when I got sick as I was told its a healthier alternative to cows milk for my cereal. I have it every morning. So whats the deal?
I think there is a bit too much researching going on around here sometimes. I bet I could find a study online to prove or disprove anything I want.
Actually...I'M SICK OF GIVING UP STUFF..FIRST BOOZE...THEN SMOKES....THEN SUGAR....I'M KEEPIN THE D*MN SOY!!
PS Obviously if you have real food allergies then thats fair enough.
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quote:Originally posted by chamade: what about edamame beans?
I would say in the bean form, it is fine. Especially since most people are saying soy isn't healthy because it's been genetically modified. I would think the bean form would be the healthier choice?
Don't quote me on it, but that's my guess.
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"Japanese housewives feed tofu to their husbands frequently when they want to reduce his virility."
This is a JOKE, RIGHT??????
I'm Japanese, and there's no way this has any validity.
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quote:Originally posted by psano2: "Japanese housewives feed tofu to their husbands frequently when they want to reduce his virility."
This is a JOKE, RIGHT??????
I'm Japanese, and there's no way this has any validity.
I think it's a bunch of crap. I've also read articles written by supposedly qualified persons (but obviously not) on the Internet talking of how soy has made men gay, etc., etc. because it contains estrogen. Just very stupid, made up, immature stuff.
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Now that you mention it I have been having some confusing feelings lately!!!
Hahaaa......classic...I've heard it all now!!
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quote:Originally posted by NMN: Disturbedme,
Now that you mention it I have been having some confusing feelings lately!!!
Hahaaa......classic...I've heard it all now!!
Here is part of an article I just found:
"Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality. That's why most of the medical (not socio-spiritual) blame for today's rise in homosexuality must fall upon the rise in soy formula and other soy products. (Most babies are bottle-fed during some part of their infancy, and one-fourth of them are getting soy milk!)"
My husband was fed soy milk as a baby instead of breast milk and cow's milk. He's not gay!!! The most it did to him was make him fat as a baby (he's not anymore). But otherwise, it did not turn him gay.
I just think some of the things they think up is really a little overboard....
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Anything that is heavily processed is probably not the best thing to eat.
I don't think it's a poison but I've reduced my intake of it.
How do you know if the edamame you are getting is organic or non-GMO?
There are alternatives to soy milk... try rice milk or almond milk.
I would really avoid all non-organic or GMO soy products. They don't always tell you if the soy is non-GMO, though. I don't think it's required in the US to label the products.
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In my opinion the soy causes homosexuality in males theory is a far fetched claim at the very best. Actually, I DON'T believe that there is any correlation between soy consumption and homosexuality.
Although, soy infant based formula is know to cause a significant suppression of the NEONATAL TESTOSTERONE SURGE/RISE in male infant marmoset monkeys.
And according to the researcher Dr. Richard Sharpe it is very likely that soy infant formula does the same thing in human male infants.
Dr. Sharpe doesn't know if the suppression of the neonatal testosterone surge by soy infant formula poses any long term health effects in males.
And since the neonatal testosterone surge is a natural and perfectly normal process that all human male infants go through then it would seem wise to avoid ingesting a substance that significantly suppress this natural process. At least until further research is done.
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I know that it impedes the sexual maturation of boys and accelerates the sexual maturation of girls. Studies show that in newborns the hormonal effects of soy may be irreversible. Another fact is that the average daily dose of soy estrogens in baby soy formula is higher than the amounts that cause thyroid ad endocrine disruption in adults. It has caused babies to show signs of puberty.
I wouldn't touch the stuff. The advertisment of it showing it to be some type of health food... incredible! Soy has never been proven safe.
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Sorry to ask -- but what does have to do with Lyme disease?
I am not trying to offend, just trying to understand how this relates to helping people get well.
Maybe another forum about diet would serve the community better?
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I pulled this from an interview by Michael Adams and Dr. Blaylock:
Dr. Blaylock: The worst of the things they're doing are the soy extracts. Soybeans, naturally, have one of the highest glutamate levels of any of the plant products. When you hydrolyze it, you release the glutamate, and the soy protein isolates. The glutamate levels are higher than a lot of what you'll find in MSG products, yet the vegetarians are just eating it like it's the healthiest thing in the world. There was a 25-year study done, which looked at people who consumed the most soy products, and they followed them for 25 years and did serial CT scans. They found out that the people who consumed the most soybean products had the greatest incidence of dementia and brain atrophy.
These people are destroying their nervous system, and I talked to a lot of them who complained of severe migraine headaches. I said, "Get off the soy," and they do, and that migraine headache goes away. In addition, you have very high manganese levels, which is toxic to the very same part of the brain that produces Parkinson's. You've got a mixture of toxins with soy products, and the people think they are eating a healthy, nutritious product. It's destroying their nervous system, as well as other organs.
Mike: In this whole debate of soy versus cow's milk, we find misinformation in both camps.
Dr. Blaylock: I wouldn't recommend either one. If you're obsessed with milk, use goat's milk. It's closer to human milk, but I wouldn't recommend cow's milk or soy milk. I think people ought to avoid soy products as if they were poison.
Don't mean to offend anyone, just posting the information and thought it was relevant to the discussion. Especially from this Doctor who is highly respected.
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quote: Sorry to ask -- but what does soy have to do with Lyme disease?
Hmmm - admittedly, this topic took an unexpected turn, however I think my original ? was very relevant...
Modifying diet is a huge part of recovery from Lyme as well as keeping yeast in check.
However, everyone has different opinions about what is "o.k." to eat, what foods will or will not exaccerbate our conditions.
For example, my LLMD beleives that soy contributes to neurotoxicity, which is a big prob for me..
I am aware that a lot of other knowledgable people on this board do consume soy, so I was wondering about their reasoning.
So, I think it is an appropriate ? for medical....
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I think any discussion of diet here is VERY revelant!
Wow, lymie_in_md! Amazing info. *I* thank you for sharing that.
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Some one here has the following line: "let medicine be your food and food be your medicine" (hopefully I got it right). I live for the day I never take another supplement and follow that principle. In the mean time, I'll drink rice or Almond milk.
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I have done a lot of reading on this subject, on both sides, and there is ansolutely no scientific evidence that soy is healthy or should be used as a staple food. There is, however, a lot of scientific evidence proving how bad it is for you.
there are many arguements people use to support their soy "habit"
"I have been eating soy for years (or know someone who has) and they are just fine" This arguement is neither logical nor scientific. I also know a lot of people who smoked cigarettes and lived to a ripe old age without any cancer or lung disease, doesn't mean I am going to run out and buy a pack of cigarettes. The truth is, people who eat soy as a staple food (I will get to that later, it has to do with the amount, moderation is important) have a much higher rate of cancer. Thats enough for me to stay away from it.
"Asians have been eating soy for thousands of years and they are healthy" Asians never ate soy as a staple food. It is a condiment for them. The staple foods are rice and fish. soy is meant to eat as soy sauce on food, or little bits of bean curd in a dish, not as the main source of someone's protein three servings or more a day like vegans eat it. 2-3 servings a week probably is a good rule of thumb (including soy milk, tofu, etc) Not soy milk for breakfast, tofu for lunch, and some fake meat product for dinner, that is way too much.
"Meat is bad, fish has mercury, even veggies have pesticides, everything is bad, we have nothing left to eat" Thats not entirely true. With other foods, you can get pure forms of them and they will be healthy. You can get organic rangefed beef, organic veggies, organic fish, free-range organic chicken. But with soy, the phytotoxins are inherent in the plant itself. There is no way to grow it to make it healthy. It never was healthy, even 6000 years ago before pollution, soy still had phytotoxins and estrogen.
A few important facts:
The estrogens in soy are very bad for everyone except maybe a menopausal woman who has plenty of other hormones (progesterone) but only needs estrogen. For everyone else it is bad. Look up the dangers of estrogen dominance, and that is what you risk from eating too much soy (cancer, tumors)
Babies fed soy formula are getting the equivalent of 5 birth control pills a day. Would you knowingly give your baby 5 BCP's a day? Feeding soy formula to babies was a big experiment. It was never tested longterm. The longterm effects can now be seen, with teen boys developping breast tissue, and teen girls developping younger than any other generation.
Tofu is a byproduct of the soybean oil industry. Manufacturers didn't know what to do with it all, and decided to sell it as a "healthfood" to make money. No studies were ever done to see if it was a healthy food, all the hype about its healthful effects was propaganda from the soybean oil industry.
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soy products is on my loooooooooooooooonnnnng list of foods i have to avoid on my anti candida diet...
but this is where i am at now. At different times what i could/couldnt eat has been different I think while other opinions are helpful in the end we have to try to figure out whay (if any) foods are having a negative and which are having a positive impact on our health..
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i'm so glad, spparkle and lymie, that you mentioned the MSG -- I quit eating soy because it got so that every time i ate it i got a headache and itchy skin.
i didn't know it also contributes to candida.
can't believe i ate it for 3-4 years--yuck.
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i don't think soy is the best food choice and i only eat it occasionally, for many of the reasons stated above. (and this, coming from a former vegetarian of eight years. i used to rely on soy as one of my main protein sources. yikes!) however, the claim that soy causes homosexuality and feminizing in men is BS and p*sses me off to no end.
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I don't eat soy at all because it makes me very sick.
I think soy every once in a while is fine. I don't think soy as a mainstay to one's diet is healthy though. I also would not put my baby on soy milk. I don't think it's healthy.
As for those who say they don't know what to drink for milk, if they're dairy free...almond milk, rice milk and hemp milk. You can buy a great brand of almond milk by Almond Breeze (no I don't endorse this brand, just a happy customer) that is sugar free but tastes great!
They just make it out of almonds and you can buy it at almost any health food store. It is dairy, soy and gluten free!!
And, the homosexuality thing is a bunch of !#@$!!!!! I don't understand how people can actually believe that!!
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I dont know who is saying that soy causes homosexuality, but it DOES contain estrogen. Estrogen is a female hormone. When men are going through a sex change, they take estrogen to change their bodies to be more feminine.
Of course, anyone who eats soy in moderation is not going to get these harmful effects. But if someone is eating three large servings a day, and getting the equivalent of a few birth control pills a day, it very well CAN have effects.
But I don't think anyone is implying that taking estrogen makes people homosexual.
Also, the dangers of the effects of phytoestrogens are from the highly processed forms of soy, eating soybeans whole is probably not going to hurt anyone.
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alright, totally off topic, but going through a sex change is one thing, and eating a hunk of tofu is entirely another.
also, sex does not equal gender does not equal sexual orientation.
I've studied this topic to death. Back in 1989, I stopped eating all meat and in 1990, I stopped all dairy. The only soy product around then was tofu. I would eat it all the time. I never felt any different but I was also a young woman then.
I've since cut all soy out of my diet since I noticed my pms was horrible, my periods were unbearable (cramps and heavy bleeding) and my hair was falling out en masse.
Since Aug 2007, I stopped all soy and introduced almond milk into my diet and since then, my hair stopped falling out and my periods are returning to normal.
I wasn't consuming a lot of soy either, maybe 2 cups of soy milk a day (I stopped eating tofu cause I went back to chicken after 10 yrs)
I was never sure which soy research to believe, but I do believe my own body and I believe soy was truly harming me.
Having said this, I was also body building for 9 years and my testosterone levels were more than likely compensating for the estrogen push, but since I can't work out anymore due to lyme, I believe that's when the soy started to affect me
Almond milk tastes 100 times better anyway and it comes sugar free ;-)
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I try to eat soy in moderation, like everything else. Sometimes it's easier said than done though.
It's a tough call, you need to just listen to your body. You're still young so it may not effect you, but try and see on your next cycle if you stop all soy if you get those weird feelings with PMS again. That would be a great way to determine if it's good for you or not.
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i edited my post. what i meant is estrogen does NOT make guys homosexual. but it could make them grow breasts, especially if they had low testosterone to begin with. It all has to do with your own physiology.
Also be careful who you listen to. Since the studies came out showing how bad soy is, the soy oil industry and organizations for veganism, like peta, started funding their own studies.
I trust this guy, he is a dr and has no affiliations with any companies:
according to him, the fermented versions are ok, and tempeh is fermented. So there is a good source of protein.
Here is also his view on veganism. He used to be a vegetarian back in the 70's. Until he started seeing a trend in the declining health in his vegetarian patients.
I love animals too, and I was vegan for three years in my 20's. It destroyed my thyroid and I got PCOS. I am now 44. I am full of cysts and tumors. I had to get a hysterectomy at the ripe old age of 38. Weakened my immune system and I am full of infections. That is just from 3 years of eating soy as staple (3 or more servings a day) 20 years ago. I felt fine at the time, except for slight thyroid abnormalities. I didn't start getting sick and noticing the effects until much later, 3+ years after I stopped eating it. It can have long-lasting detrimental effects.
I love animals but I am not going to die for them. But industries like the soy industry or organizations like PETA will be glad to have you die for their cause.
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I've never noticed any negative effects, but I do my best to steer clear of soy. I don't think a little bit of tofu now and then is going to hurt me, but as a man its nowhere near my staple protein. Fermented soy like soy sauce and natto I'd hate to give up though - they're part of my heritage (admittedly, natto is an acquired taste).
Honestly, I feel that the "healthy/organic/green" living group has done a disservice to men, championing that a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle based around soy as the primary protein is healthy. Unfortunately, about 75% of the purchasing of so-called health food is done by women, so marketing follows demographics.
If you're looking for a plant-based protein, I strongly suggest Hemp! It has a ton of vitamins, minerals, omegas, and other aminos, as well as being free of the negative effects of soy, from my research.
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I believe homesexuality is likely caused by radiowave fields, not soy, especially in light of the wireless boom. It interferes with memory and behavior.
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Tailz, there are a lot of theories for what causes homosexuality, but very few of them with any degree of scientific accuracy ascribe it to "learned behavior". This isn't to say that homosexual experiences can't be chosen (ie. "Experimenting in college" today, or the Grecian idea that homosexual relations between men equaled a transfer of knowledge, yet they still all had wives back home), but there are a number of people (estimate 15% of the total population, maybe higher) who are without a doubt, homosexual, seeking not only sexual but long term relationships with those of the same gender.
Sexual preference for the same gender is even prevalent in the animal kingdom - it has been observed for thousands of years before there were any man-made electromagnetic disturbances.
The most likely causes of homosexuality are either 1) a genetic allele, most likely recessive or 2) the influx of certain hormones during a stage of development in utero. Note that this phenomenon is most likely "natural" as gay people have been around long before any of the "toxins" that people speak of were prevalent in the environment.
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Tailz, Homosexuality is not caused by anything other than possibly genetic make-up. You will find many studies that prove people are born homosexual.
And like the previous poster said, how can you explain homosexuality 1,500 years ago when there were no electronics thus no EMF's?
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Soy can be very hard to digest. People with type O blood are not suppose to eat soy.
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quote:Originally posted by tailz: I believe homesexuality is likely caused by radiowave fields, not soy, especially in light of the wireless boom. It interferes with memory and behavior.
Oh my God, what an insult to gay people. Are you for real?!
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This is all very interesting. I have a friend who is incredibly well endowed. She has always said that her mother gave her A LOT of soy as a child and she says that's why her breasts are SO large. She is considering a reduction. I believe she is fairly healthy otherwise but (how can I put this lightly) she's a bit of a nympho. (sorry didn't know how else to put it-hope I'm not in trouble for saying that!) Posts: 2541 | From Northeast | Registered: Jan 2008
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Laura - its most likely that her endowment is genetic, though there is some evidence that earlier puberty can be brought on by hormones in what we eat. If this translates to actually having bigger breasts, I don't think there is really any data. I'm leaning towards no, simply because the amount of female hormones in our environment has increased in availability (ie soy, and the "nasty stuff" that has gotten into food production), but breast size hasn't increased.
Also, its unlikely that soy makes women horny Having high estrogen, which would theoretically be "countered" with increased progesterone production would actually result in lower libido. THis is what happens with birth control pills sometimes. Your friend probably has a pretty decent diet and/or higher testosterone than most women. After all, menopausal women who lack desire are often prescribed testosterone in small doses which jumpstarts the libido.
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why are people always trying to find the 'cause' of homosexuality? why does no one investigate what makes certain (yes, perhaps most) people heterosexual?
it angers me to no end. i don't know *why i'm gay, and i don't particularly care, either (though i'd bet all the money i have that it's not because of soy or EMFs). i'm perfectly happy how i am and i can't imagine being any other way, nor do i wish to.
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this post has really gotten off topic, but I agree with heiwalove. its rediculous to think homosexuality is some kind of disease. its a life-style choice. people are born gay. I know enough gay people and have grown up as children with them to know that they were born that way.
I also believe that most people are bisexual and just have a higher percentage of either gay or straight in them. Most people just ignore or suppress that side of them because of society and religion. now I am really in trouble. Posts: 615 | From maryland | Registered: Oct 2007
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While I was in chiropractic college in the mid and late 1980's, the gay couples had much better, much more emotionally supportive relationships than the heterosexual couples.
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Having high estrogen, which would theoretically be "countered" with increased progesterone production would actually result in lower libido. THis is what happens with birth control pills sometimes. Your friend probably has a pretty decent diet and/or higher testosterone than most women. After all, menopausal women who lack desire are often prescribed testosterone in small doses which jumpstarts the libido.
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