richedie
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If you follow a good diet and do everything right, do any of you feel long term abx can do harm? Joint problems or anything else?
-Rich
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I think the long-term abx are the lesser of two evils .. better than being sick. They do have their risks, which is why I considered constant detox to be a necessity during/after abx treatment.
They also harm the GI tract. It takes time to build the balance back.
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Ditto sixgoofykids.
I think the alternative - untreated chronic infection - is worse than long-term abx.
Take your probiotics, S. boulardii, and follow the best diet you can... Detox... And get rid of those infections.
Just my thoughts on it.
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I think it's a very individual thing. I have a friend who has been on abx for over a decade with no problems, none apparent anyway, but if he goes off even for a week he goes downhill fast.
In contrast, I developed terrible gut problems while on abx. Now, it's possible that some of this may have been natural disease progression -- there is no way of knowing -- which were exacerbated by the abx. But the last few years I was on abx my gut got worse and worse, as did everything else. By the end, I was reactive to just about everything.
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richedie
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So what are the best detox methods? The body detoxes naturally while asleep, exercising and a hot sauna helps so I get lots of all three.
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Lauralyme
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coffee enemas and colonics
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"I think it's a very individual thing. I have a friend who has been on abx for over a decade with no problems, none apparent anyway, but if he goes off even for a week he goes downhill fast."
Hi. I'm one of those on high dose antibiotics that cannot go off, for 8 years now. I have had some problems, but found that detox was the only way to deal with them, plus probiotics.
Take your medicine.
Mary
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gwb
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I can't do abx anymore. I've had chronic lyme for about 12 years before I was diagnosed. I've done abx for five years and they just tore up my stomach, also, I had too many issues with side effects.
For me, abx are out of the question. I eat healthy, exercise, take supplements. I'm still not well, but no worse off than I was on abx. In fact, since I've lost 60 pounds (in less than four months) I'm doing a little bit better than before.
Unfortunately, I'm still dealing with stomach issues and leg pain. I'm searching for the right herbs and supplements to take (I take mostly vitamins now).
Hopefully, I will find someone (an ND or alternative doctor) who can help me with the right herbs and supplements as I feel I can't do this without some guidance.
I think once you pass a certain stage with lyme disease abx isn't going to overcome it. I haven't found any credible information that shows people with advanced chronic lyme disease get better with abx.
I'm sure there are exceptions, but if people have to be on abx for 5-10 years, or more, and still not getting better, what's the point?
My wife got well with abx but she was diagnosed not long after her tick bite. For those who get treated early, they have the best chances of recovery.
Just my opinion based on my own personal experience and research.
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Hi Gary.
I have spent the last 4 years struggling to maintain some kind of antibiotic therapy because my stomach was so torn up. Also, lots of what appreared to be antibiotic side effects, including drug induced lupus.
For years I could not imagine that I might see my grand children (have 3 beautiful daughters with lyme).
Tried Bionic 880 therapy this past summer. I have to get back to reviewing that treatment now that I am down the road. Didn't work.
Out of desperation, I took welchol a few weeks ago. My doctor had prescribed it for detoxa long time ago, but I was never faithful. Took one or two, and when the constipation hit, dropped it immediately.
Then, I decided to do it every day for a week.
It has been two weeks now. I am back on the high doses of medication after that four years I had been unable to pursue.
What appeared to be my stomach being shredded and other side effects now appears to be neuro toxins being dumped into my system and circulating endlessly.
Could it have been that simple all this time? Could I have really suffered like that for no reason?
Y..E..S !!!!!!!
Consider a "binding" cholesterol medication on a regular basis.
I deal with the constipation with one daily dose of miralax (which I am about to run out of and they don't have in Switzerland) and two packages a day of 1,000 mg of Vit. C from the health food store (also from the U.S.)
That seems to do the trick. And I'm good to "go."
Sorry.
Mary in Switzerland
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lymewreck36
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p.s. Have had lyme for decades. Several points of infection. Have babesia just as chronic. Been in treatment since 2002. Diagnosed in 2002.
Must keep on keeping on.
mary
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randibear
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oh man, antibiotics trashed my stomach and colon. i had c. diff several times, constant diahrrea, etc.
i was taking tons of probiotics and still had problems.
then the allergic reactions to boot every time he switched to a different one.
then the yeast problems....
no, i'm off now and going herbal.
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gwb
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randibear, how long have you been going herbal? Are you getting good results?
Could you pm me your list of herbs, supplements, etc and how you take them? You can post it here if you prefer, or pm me, whichever.
Hi Randibear....so sorry about the problems...today I doing o.k. with antibiotics...but who knows what I'll write one month from now.
Best of luck, Mary
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richedie
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What is welchol? I have been on abx 1.4 years and no stomach issues, no diahrrea and no yeast issues.
How good is Theralac? I take Body Biotics and Florastor.
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lymewreck36
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Welchol is a cholesterol medication that works by binding in the intestines. This class of cholesterol medications binds to toxins (fats and thereby toxins) to remove them. Works wonders. Ask about it, but have a full lipid profile if you start, and watch your blood sugar because it can lower your blood sugar.
Theralac. Well, I think it is the best. Been through every other brand from the refrigerator in the health food store. My doctor ordered it for me.
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Long term antibiotics defintely carries some risks, which is why I will be stopping my son at the 1 year mark. He has been symptom free since July (and the 1 yr mark is in May 2010), so I think it's a reasonable goal.
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- Even for short times, abx can cause liver damage. That is why many LLMDs stress the importance of liver support such as Milk Thistle, NAC, ALA, etc.
The liver simply MUST be protected and supported on a daily basis. -
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