MichaelTampa
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I've been slowly listening to the CD's of the recent ILADS conference, one of the cofounders of ILADS was speaking (don't remember his name) and mentioned parasites and babesia in a way that he was clearly considering babesia as a parasite just like I have heard others talk about the worms as parasites. I really had thought parasites was just a more pleasant term for worms, if you will.
In any event, having read a number of posts on babesia the last couple days, I'm really moved by the struggles some people here are having. I don't believe I have babesia so I can only imagine from reading.
I had been struggling a lot with the parasites/worms. I was making extremely slow progress with the gamma rizole and zeta rizole that one prominent lymedoc recommended in a generic slide presentation. But what has helped much more is avoiding all foods with onions, garlic, and mustard. Actually, once a week I eat at a restaurant and don't worry about it, but this is a massive reduction for what my usual diet was.
I came upon this idea from reading Hulda Clark books. She believed that parasites/worms played a key role in creating cancer, and advocated avoiding all onions, garlic, and mustard food sources because they contain chemicals that are food for the parasites/worms. She also created "zappers" to kill them too, and said that would cause herxing, but avoiding those foods was more gentle, the bugs just went away with no food.
Anyway, so I just toss it out, if babesia happens to be in the same category of parasites as the worms, perhaps there is a chance that avoiding these foods would help some people with babesia. I am noting I have read on this forum, Enula (a NutraMedix herb) has been helpful for both babesia and for parasites/worms, so, maybe this food avoidance would be helpful for both as well.
Anyway, just "food for thought" if you will, just passing on a possible idea that might help.
Wishing you all the best.
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Well, babesia is a parasite that "INVADES" the blood, but before invading the blood cells, it is a parasite like any other parasite, that means it must hide in the gut...
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You know, one thing that comes to my mind is that maybe you have difficulty riding your body of sulfates. All the offod items you just mentioned have a lot of those.
Also, just so you know, a biological definition of a parasite is anything that obtains nourishment and shelter from another organism. And a lot of parasites don't live, use, or hide in intestines. Ticks (and lice) for example are parasites.
Also, in the holiday spirit, mistletoe is actually a parasitic plant that lives off trees
I have not seen any evidence to suggest that Babesea is located in human intestines.
But, as they say, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...
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quote:Originally posted by Amanda: [QB] You know, one thing that comes to my mind is that maybe you have difficulty riding your body of sulfates. All the offod items you just mentioned have a lot of those.
Also, just so you know, a biological definition of a parasite is anything that obtains nourishment and shelter from another organism. And a lot of parasites don't live, use, or hide in intestines. Ticks (and lice) for example are parasites.
Also, in the holiday spirit, mistletoe is actually a parasitic plant that lives off trees
I have not seen any evidence to suggest that Babesea is located in human intestines.
But, as they say, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...
I agree.
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karenl
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Michael,
I agree with you, babesia is a parasite like the others. But I thought it is very tiny, you need a microscope.
Is it in Hulda's book? I would like to read this because on curezone.com/forums they recommend garlic and sulfur to get rid of worms. The contrary.
Lymetoo, parasites can be anywhere in the body not only in the GI tract(Dr. K talks about brain...).Babesia is a blood parasite, that means it is everywhere. Also mepron is for parasites and babesia.
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Can you expand on Hulada's opinion that onions, garlic, and mustard feed the parasites?
I'm under the impression parasites don't like garlic too well.
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If it's a blood parasite (and it is).. it's in the blood only.
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glm1111
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I just googled parasite + onions and when I scrolled down there was a post
"Malaria Parasite Defeated By Garlic And Onions"
Did Hulda get this one wrong or did the researchers from the University of Toronto?
Gael
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hum well, let's be logical, IF babs was only in the blood, then we could simply theorize that changing our blood would cure it definitely, well it doesn't! So that means before invading blood cells, it must be hiding somewhere and my common sense thinks that parasites hide in the GI tract... but I may be wrong.
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Has anyone tried changing the blood? Pretty drastic and you'd have to get every single parasite.
My point is that parasites in the gut and in the blood are two different things. Check your biology book or ask your LLMD. Maybe I'm wrong!
Parasites in the blood are microscopic. Most in the gut are visible to the eye.
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- First, after writing that below, I went back to re-read a few bits of your post (as I can never take in the whole thing at once).
Garlic. You spoke of garlic. THAT will help for all parasites, no matter where they are. As good as garlic & allicin are - alone - that approach is not enough for babesia.
The "zapper" or a Rife machine is also one tool that has capabilities - and I cannot finish that sentence but if you think of a frequency unit for babesia, be sure to talk to the "experts" about it. It's not quite the same method for lyme or for gut parasites. -----------
Ditto to TuTu's account. "parasites in the gut and in the blood are two different things"
Blood parasites have millions of miles of "highway" and millions of "nooks and crannies" in which to do whatever they want, include camping out, making trouble, lying low, etc. Also, getting into tissue complicates matters.
The same can be said for GI parasites, too, and there are some similarities but also distinct differences.
We are not so much of a internal system of clean pipe pathways as the anatomy illustrations look like. In 3-D, the layout for our blood vessels is just staggering.
There really is no way to take out all the blood, clean it and put it back - drop for drop, all at once for a totally fresh supply. We would not be able to squeeze all the blood out of all the tissue like a sponge, rinse, dry and start over.
I have a friend who did a couple very long rounds of blood irradiation where they took out some, cleansed it and put it back. For some other illnesses, this has been remarkable. But, for her, while she got some temporary lift it did not last long and it was a huge waste of money in her case.
My thinking is that since the doctors she had would not become educated about lyme and TBD (tick-borne disease), that is why it failed for her. They were treating her like someone without TBD. And that just does not work. Had they made a few adjustments and used combination therapies, it might have. But all the TBD are very unique.
Still, as we all (patients, doctors, researchers and LL journalists) keep thinking I have a feeling that we are bound to come to a better understanding of all TBD and learn new ways to conquer.
Still, even with the present tools, others have gotten better. So, here's a holiday wish for all that - however it's all figured out - that next year we're all working on better projects, a whole different topic.
Cheers! -
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Babesia is a single-celled, blood-borne protozoan--a worm is an animal--completely different categories of life. "Parasite" just describes the fact that both need to live inside another organism to survive.
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- Onbam, you win the award for being concise (an ability I've always admired but never achieved). In just two sentences you captured it. -
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quote:Originally posted by onbam: Babesia is a single-celled, blood-borne protozoan--a worm is an animal--completely different categories of life. "Parasite" just describes the fact that both need to live inside another organism to survive.
There you go! Thanks!
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Keebler,
I've always thought you wrote really well on here...and you certainly win for being one of the most knowledgable/helpful... Thanks though
springshowers
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Either way ... with the both protozoans and parasites ...
diet can do great things and should be paid attention to and the guidelines used to help with parasites can bridge over to help with protozoans and I believe should be paid attention to
there should be more research done on the subject though I think as well not just to compare the response of both types but
the connection of diet and the parasite / protozoan infections and what they like to live on most to help us "avoid" those and what kills them off that is natural and can be put in our diet more...
I am hearing more news on this lately actually and will try to share when I get more details on it and how it works and what and how to make the changes that would help with these blood protozoans ... using "diet" considerations.!!
Very important topic and thing to learn about and pay attention to and get more info on specifically if possible from someone who has or is studying this sort of subject and issue.
More to come
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"single celled protozoan", I am still confused, is babesia an intracellular infection, extra cellular? Both?
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Also, does anybpdy know its impact on blood circulation? I read posts on hypercoagulations caused by lyme but is it really from lyme or from babs? The reason why I think it is somehow related to the GI tract is that last year I was in india and I did what they call "vamana", meaning "therapeutic vomiting", well let me tell you that after three days, the "greyish" skin that babesia is causing me became normal again... But after few months, here I am back with my pale skin again,, and I know it is from babesia. hu, maybe i should do it again, although it's a harsh method, it does help...
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I think hypercoagulation can be caused by any persistent infection. However, I think it's attributed to Lyme more often than any other TBD.
Babesia can cause anemia. I don't know how it affects circulation.
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Babesia invades Red BLood Cells, which then become deformed and lodged in the capillaries, blocking them. This is how it causes much of the resulting organ damage.
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I do believe Plasma exchange could help Lyme patients, possible get well a lot faster.
The internalization of B. burgdorferi was inhibited by cytochalasin D and PP2, suggesting that B. burgdorferi invasion required the reorganization of actin filaments and Src-family kinases, respectively.
Taken together, these results suggest that B. burgdorferi can invade and retain viability in non-phagocytic cells in a process that may, in part, help to explain the phenotype observed in untreated experimental infection.
Here is a good example of what can happen in infectious disease in fibrination. If they fail to find the exact cause should you not treat and just tell the patients---sorry you got a bad heart??? http://www.bmj.com/content/341/bmj.c4655.full
If we could keep the pipes clean we might not have so many problems...
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