Topic: Having an old wisdom tooth removed. Any advice?
sparkle7
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I'm having an old "dead" wisdom tooth taken out soon. Is there anything I can do to help healing or need to know? I'm going to a "regular" dentist. I am 50 - so I think it can be a bit different for older folks to get teeth pulled.
Do "holistic" dentists do anything different than regular ones in regards to tooth removal? I know they are supposed to be on a meridian chart, etc. I'm not sure if things are handled in any special way according to that philosophy.
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glm1111
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Hey sparkle,
Just saw this post. I had a HUGE amount of dental work from 2010-11 incl many extractions and 4 quaudrant gum surgery that required lotsa of stitches.
I was scared and worried that I would relapse and get worse. I sailed through it with just normal discomfort, and healed in normal time.
Didn't take abx and refused pain meds. I was on salt/c and antiparasitic herbs at the time, so I think that made a big difference.
Mine was done at the U of Penna dental school by students and residents. They were great and I had no complications.
Are you taking any meds or herbs presently? Clove oil can be used if you have any pain. Not sure if holistic dentist would have made any difference.
Gael
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sparkle7
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Thanks Gael! I think it will be fine to go to a regular dentist. It's a regular extraction. I think the dentist I'm going to is trained by NYU or Columbia - so it should be fine. I've just been a big chicken about it...
I'm just wondering if there's any holistic precautions I can take. I'm not taking any drugs other than OTC pain stuff. Excedrin is off the market for some reason so I'm taking "Vanquish"...(lol)
I'm doing a very slow methylation protocol. I take the vitamins every few days. I'm taking some basic stuff like some home-made liposomal vit C, multi minerals, berberine. I have been having whey protein drinks with some nutritional yeast & ground flax seeds... nothing too out there. I think I'm done with the parasites but I think I have to deal with metals. I have been taking clay & chlorella on ocassion as needed. I think the improved methylation is causing me to detox metals & other stuff... Just a suspicion.
I will rinse with some clove oil in water. That's a good idea. I have to deal with some mercury but I'm putting it off for later so I can think about how to do it. I'm going to do all the other non-mercury related stuff first.
If I go to a holistic dentist, it's 4-5 times more expensive. I don't think it's worth it but I want to see how good this regular dentists is first.
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GiGi
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Google "Chris Hussar DDS wisdom teeth" he is the expert. I posted some of his writings here years ago. Wisdom tooth are on the heart meridian. Pull Chinese Organ Chart. I have also posted it numerous times.
Chris did my 12 root canal removal and is the best in the world, but he had to quit. Find his writings; what he says is about wisdom teeth removal is right on. Hope you can find it.
Wishing you the best.
Take care.
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glm1111
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That's great that you are done with the parasites! You might want to consider taking cloves for maintenance to make sure no eggs or larva are left to hatch.
That's what Hulda Clark suggests anyway. Good for any pain issues as well as having antibacterial properties. Hanna Kroeger has some good ones and they are cheap.
As for other precautions...maybe some herbal antibacterials. Sea salt is also a good antibacterial. I think you will be fine. Good luck!
Gael
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Tammy N.
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Make sure they get every last root tip (ask to see the tooth....seriously). I had issues last year that caused me a lot of trouble because a root tip was left behind. Later, I had to have a cavitation surgery. I will spare you the details because I want your head to be clear, but just ask to see the tooth so you can be sure.
Also, when they extract, they are suppose to sort of drill out the socket to make sure they collapse the tendon that holds the tooth in place so it can close and heal properly. My dentist did not do this. (I did not know this was suppose to be done until afterwards when I met with other dentists to help me get better.)
Looking back, I think it would have been a good idea if I was put on an antibiotic like Clindamycin (sp?) I had a lot of infection that took hold after the extraction. Went to several dentists for ozone injections/treatments. Finally, a year later, I think I am over it.
Each person is different. If you feel like you have infections in your head (ears, nose, anywhere), then abx would be a good precaution.
Sending good thoughts your way.
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sparkle7
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Thnaks. That's great info. I'll look into it tomorrow.
I'll be sure to ask about the tendon & the drilling. Sounds awful but it has to be done...
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Is there a website that lists dentists that practice like Chris Hussar? I'd like to find one near me to pull my wisdom teeth.
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I had several root canals pulled last year.
Be sure to follow all the dentists directions to avoid getting a dry socket after the extraction.
I got one and it was a nightmare, a whole new dimension in pain.
Hope everything goes well for you.
Take care and God bless.
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Cavitations: More Than Just Another Hole In Your Head
Many of our readers are well aware of the problems that mercury amalgams and root canals can cause. Recently, while visiting patients at Gerson hospital in Mexico, I spoke to one of the patients in depth about a more silent health threat known as cavitations. Not to be confused with a cavity, which is of course a hole in the tooth, a cavitation is a hole in the jawbone that cannot be detected by x-rays.
"When teeth are removed," writes Dr. Hal Huggins in It's All in Your Head, "the periodontal ligament (a membrane that attaches the tooth to the bone) is usually left in the socket." Huggins explains that when this ligament is left in the jaw the area around the socket never heals completely. When this occurs, Dr. Huggins has found that "the top of the socket seals over with two or three millimeters of bone; under that, a hole remains. This bony hole is usually lined with chronic inflammatory lymphocytes, which are the cells of autoimmune disease."
The term "cavitation" is used to describe not only the lesions which appear as tiny empty holes, it also applies to other lesions in the jawbone, which after tissue analysis have been found to be ischemic (lacking in oxygen), osteomyelitic (bone infected) and toxic. Dr. Karen and Steven Evans of the University of Kentucky explain that "these lesions are often located in old extraction sites and under or near the roots of root canal teeth, a vital (dead) teeth, and wisdom teeth. Sometimes they spread extensively from these locations throughout the jawbone and may penetrate the sinuses or totally encompass the inferior alveolar (jaw) nerve.
Dr. Christopher Hussar, a licensed osteopath (D.O.) and dentist (D.D.S.) is one of the few dentists in the United States who will surgically remove cavitations. "When you open up these lesions and see the mush that comes out, you can understand why these infection sites will not heal on their own. I have opened up sections of jawbones and taken out decayed vegetable matter such as corn and carrots that had become locked within the original extraction site and were not reabsorbed by the body. Inside these jawbone cavities you may also encounter viruses, bacteria, yeasts and parasites, all of which contribute to the harmful dental focal disturbance," writes Dr. Hussar in an article entitled "No More Chronic Pain" (Alternative Medicine Digest, Issue 15)
The term "focal disease" was coined in the 1850s. Although now discredited by conventional dentists, Dr. Hussar points out that U.S. physicians from the 19th century "were aware that chronic, untreated dental [or focal] infections could produce serious symptoms elsewhere in the body. In fact...physicians once routinely recommended having teeth extracted as a cure for arthritis."
Since 1988 Dr. Hussar has used a technique known as neural therapy "to remove infected or dead bony tissue." He states that by "using this approach I have been able to reverse headaches, blindness, hearing disorders, arthritic pain, rheumatological problems and all manner of unexplained pain disorders."
Several medical journal articles have been published which concur with Hussar's findings. The New England Journal of Medicine published an article on November 22, 1990 by Eric I. Logigian, M.D. from Tufts University School of Medicine. He and his colleagues described how Bonelia burdorferi infections in the jaw can lead to chronic neurological problems. Another article, entitled "Alveolar Cavitational Osteopathosis: Manifestations of an Infectious Process and its Implication in the Causation of Chronic Pain" was published in the October 1986 issue of the Journal of Periodontology. The author, Eugene Ratner, D.D.S. describes how he healed thousands of patients who suffered from pain in their face, shoulder, arms, groin and legs by treating jaw infections.
Sadly most conventional dentists will not subscribe to such beliefs. They routinely extract teeth, failing to "recognize that the area around the extraction site of most wisdom teeth is infected. Consequently, dentists often fail to properly clean out (debride) all the unhealthy tissue and dead bone from the site, thereby creating chronic infection. This can produce referred pain, which is pain felt elsewhere in the body rather than the jaw," explains Hussar.
How can we explain this phenomena known as "referred pain?" We need only look towards the East for the answer. "According to accupuncture," states Hussar, "numerous energy pathways [meridians] traverse the body, running from head to toe, and most of them pass through the jaw in direct association with specific teeth." So if a patient seeks acupuncture to treat a chronic problem and the treatment "doesn't hold, it can mean there is some kind of `focal' disturbance in the mouth that is blocking the flow of energy throughout the body," Hussar explains. "Different areas of the jaw correspond to different parts of the body," writes Hussar in the International DAMS (Defense Against Mercury Syndrome) Newsletter." The anterior regions of the jaw correspond to the frontal sinuses, pharyngeal area, cervical spine, urogenital area, kidneys and adrenal glands. The canines correspond to the hip, knees, lung and stomach. The posterior part of the jaw corresponds to the shoulder, elbow and lower back."
Hussar recalls treating "patients with chronic chest pain, mitral valve prolapse and other heart conditions. When I cleaned out the chronic infection at their third molar, which is on the heart meridian, I have been able to end the problem without any intervention. All four wisdom teeth are on the heart meridian which runs through both sides of the mouth." Hussar goes so far as to surmise that "some of the high incidence of heart disease in the U.S. may be attributed to chronic infections left over from faulty wisdom teeth extractions sending their negative influence through the heart meridian to the actual heart."
Although I fail to see eye to eye with most conventional dentists, I can understand why they are reluctant to acknowledge the existence of cavitations - because, well, they really are very hard to "see!" My research on cavitations led me to an article entitled "Preoperative Diagnosis of Cavitational Lesions" by Stephen Koral, DMD. The fact of the matter is, dentists have not yet developed a tool that can detect these lesions because they are so tiny. As mentioned before, they cannot be diagnosed using an x-ray, and the anesthetic technique that Hussar uses is not always clear. For the time being, dentists must aspirate a sample of tissue, which is then tested. If it can inhibit enzymatic activity, then that sample is deemed as being toxic. This evidence of toxicity would "demonstrate not a hole in the bone, but the active principle of cavitational pathology - the presence of bacterial toxins," writes Koral. This is a minimally invasive pre-operative diagnosis.
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