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Why does it seem some people are more suseptable to Lyme than others? I have friends that work outside every day in tick infected areas all they time.
Over the years they have pulled many ticks of themselves, and never had any symptoms. And when then there are others that do get symptoms, but abx clears them in all in a week or two.
When I get bit, the initial symptoms clear with abx, but a month later I get headache that lasts 3 months??? What's so different about my physiology that I get to enjoy such misery?
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Duck- I think most would say - This is the million dollar question! Follow the Burrascano Guidelines and make sure you are aggressive enough at the onset and you are treating it properly. Perhaps you have confections as well complicating things. I'd do anything to prevent it - or try anyway- From becoming chronic.
Interesting enough- my initial LLMD thought my case was so fast moving that I may have been bitten in the past and my body kept it at bay until that bite- in essence- the tipping point. I think there are so many factors it's hard to know. Dr. H's books- How Can I Get Better, etc, are great reads on the complexities. Godspeed!
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Certainly, no doubt, lyme is ALSO an immune disease, not ONLY an infectious disease.
I live in a red area for ticks, tick born diseases, even the deadly FSME that keeps increasing: fully in the middle of infested tick area.
I get one bite and can fall so sick to the point of no antibiotic clearing infections, but just make them go dormant a couple of days, only to come back a bit later, slowly but surely.
People around me get bitten all the time, and most do not fall ill. Nothing.
They log their own wood to put in fireplace, do long hiking here and there as main HOBBY, just pull ticks when they find some attached, children, adults, old people, they simply DO NOT fall ill.
It's not a million dollar question, in my opinion. It is as clear as water: there is a problem of immune deficiency in lyme sufferers.
many think they were healthy and strong BEFORE the bite, but the fact is that there were immune problems BEFORE the bite, that made them (us) fall so ill.
I myself get bitten every single year, average 5 times, sometimes more, sometimes less, but every year I get bitten.
Before, it was hell. Now I mostly feel nothing after a bite. It took me years of treatment to get rid of lyme, relapses, re-infections...
My daughter too. She's exactly the same as me.
Treating the pathogen ONLY will NEVER solve the immune problem. I mean, giving antibiotics or antimicrobials does not solve the problem when you get bitten again, and again, and again.
A much more holistic approach is necessary if you live in tick-land, as I do.
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- So many different strains and so many combinations of the coinfections. Just one of many variables.
Some bodies are just able to fend off things better than others, too.
But even a very health person can be brought down by lyme so never make it all black and white.
In addition to understanding the science of each infection one is dealing with and then adequate treatment
- specifically, directly and assertively addressing it for as long as it takes - and this can be with various approaches but it must be a comprehensive approach with combination treatment / rotations and for at least 7 months due to the life cycle of Bb . . .
and with additional coinfections, it's often longer
Again, there are various way yet it must be in understanding of the science of each infection and understanding how the body works, too.
SUPPORT methods are essential for liver, adrenal, heart, nerve fiber, etc. without SUPPORT, treatment often just cannot work well. -
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- A template of sorts. Be certain that if other methods are used, the thinking regarding what will be "direct" and what will be "support" still covers all the bases.
Controversy continues to fuel the "Lyme War" - Clinical Advisor, 2007
[section] Treatment dilemmas . . .
. . . Borrelia burgdorferi has an in vitro replication cycle of about seven days, one of the longest of any known bacteria. Antibiotics are most effective during bacterial replication, so the more cycles during a treatment, the better.
Since the life cycle of Streptococcus pyogenes (the bacterium that causes strep throat) is about eight hours, antibiotic treatment for a standard 10 days would cover 30 life cycles.
To treat Lyme disease for a comparable number of life cycles, treatment would need to last 30 weeks. . . . ----
my words, now:
Also to consider there is if treatment addresses ALL FORMS of Bb, not just the spirochete form.
If the spirochete form is the only form treated, lyme can turn chronic. Antibiotics, alone, CANNOT TREAT LYME (although many may seem to get lucky with that simple one Rx treatment, they could have very different strains - see Weintraub's writings in post below).
Antibiotics do not address the cystic form of lyme, biofilm, etc. It must be combination tx.
Excitotoxins; MSG; Aspartame; & "Natural" Flavors (that are not likely natural at all). -
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- When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods, because lyme is so very complex & unique, as are possible coinfections:
if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -
- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )
so they really know all they can about the science of lyme . . . how lyme (& other TBD) act and what we can do about that in various ways. Proper ASSESSMENT of not just lyme but coinfectoins is vital. Someone trained by ILADS is best to assess.
Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.
When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.
For those considering complementary support methods / or other avenues entirely:
Herbal Safety considerations & reference books; etc.
BOOKS - Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:
knowing which methods offer assertive & direct impact, which are only support and which are both. And when to use what, how to combine, & when to step back.
You can compare and contrast many approaches with links to articles, books, methods . . .
BODY WORK methods / links (and why anyone who works on your spine MUST be LL to the degree they at least know to never suddenly twist neck or spine. Never. Ever - not if there is inflammation in the spine with active infection. And that we should never be advised to do neck / head / shoulder stands.)
Links here to two major sources: Buhner, & Zhang. Be sure to get their books.
RIFE Machine - Reference LINKS -
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- Different strains are discussed by this author. some - even with the bulls eye rash - just don't cause chronic issues. But when they do, it's important to understand the science of it
and also know that no two people 'with lyme' ever have the same medical situation.
Read all you can by Pamela Weintraub, a LL journalist who went through all this herself, and with her entire family, too.
For patients with tick-borne diseases, the path to health can be confounding. Combining integrative and conventional approaches may be the best way forward.
. . . What’s more, many of these hard-to-treat patients, like Makris, turn out to have co-infections transmitted by the same black-legged ticks that gave them Lyme — infections that don’t always respond to treatments for Lyme disease itself.
The blood parasite Babesia, for example, must be treated with antimalarial medications. And, the co-infections Anaplasma and Ehrlichia do not respond to amoxicillin, a first-line antibiotic often used for Lyme.
Even if these and other co-infections are addressed, [Dr. H] says patients can stay sick for many reasons beyond simple infection itself. . . .
The groundbreaking, award-winning investigation into Lyme disease—the science, history, medical politics, and patient experience—now with a brand new chapter.
See all THREE posts here by Pamela Weintraub (who is a LL journalist who recovered from lyme - and write about her entire family dealing with it in "Cure Unknown" book ) -
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