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Tincup
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For those who have girly "issues"....

I did BIG TIME! For YEARS!

I was given every kind of estrogen they made over several years.. and I only got MUCH worse! Nearly dead... or wishing I was.

I accidently stumbled across using progestrone to help myself.. and it worked WONDERS for me.

Now.. when you are pregnant.. you have more progestrone for some reason.. and less estrogen. Don't ask me more details than that.. I am not a girl thing expert... I was simply born with one.

Anyhow..

I improved BIG TIME when using progestrone.. as I have written about many times here.

Look at this abstract... TRY to forget the authors if you can..

But look at the message it is saying.

Basically... the mice on progestrone or who were pregnant had LESS damage and problems with Lyme.

Pass this along to your LLMD... please!

J Immunol. 2001 Jun 15;166(12):7404-9.


Gestational attenuation of Lyme arthritis is mediated by progesterone and IL-4.

Moro MH, Bjornsson J, Marietta EV, Hofmeister EK, Germer JJ, Bruinsma E, David CS, Persing DH.

Department of Immunology, Mayo Foundation, Rochester, MN 55905, USA.

Infection of different strains of laboratory mice with the agent of Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi, results in arthritis, the severity of which has been correlated with the dominance of Th1 cytokines.

In this study, we demonstrate that changes in B. burgdorferi-specific immunologic responses associated with pregnancy can alter the outcome of Lyme arthritis in mice.

Whereas nonpregnant female C3H mice consistently developed severe Lyme arthritis, pregnant mice had a marked reduction in arthritis severity that was associated with a slight reduction in IFN-gamma and markedly increased levels of IL-4 production by B. burgdorferi-specific T cells.

Similar reductions in arthritis severity and patterns of cytokine production were observed in nonpregnant, progesterone-implanted mice.

Ab neutralization of IL-4 in progesterone-implanted mice resulted in severe arthritis.

Our results are consistent with the known shift toward Th2 cytokine expression at the maternal-fetal interface, and are the first to show a pregnancy-related therapeutic effect in an infectious model.

PMID: 11390492 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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works for me!
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That would make perfect sense. I didn't have no where near as much joint/muscle pain during pregnancy as I did before and after my son's birth.

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runner21
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Does anyone know if progesterone makes one gain weight?
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I don't know of any girlie-type prescription hormone drug that does NOT have weight gain as a side effect. Heck, if there was, I'd be on it for birth control.

There ARE topical progesterone creams you can buy from a health food store that do not make you gain weight.

Linda

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runner21
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I use a topical cream by sabre sciences formulated just for me. I had to do a saliva test and then they made this up.
im also on a dtx cream they put everyone on the first month. Just wondering about the weight gain thing...........I dont take any RX hormnes except thyroid.

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After doing my 24-hour urine panel in April, I started on hormones in early June.

Since Dr. C doesn't have you start any two, unless combined, new prescriptions at a time.

So, I started out on the Bi-Est/Progest compounded cream the for the first week...I am assuming that is Estrogen and Progestrone (sp?).

A week later I added DHEA/Testostarone compounded cream...

A week later I added the Cortef, cortisol.

Then a week after that, I added rGH.

So far, I haven't been able to tell that I have more energy. I have been much sicker.

I have lost weight (all the weight I gained while on Paxil, the EVIL drug). So, far as I can tell, weight has not been a problem while on these. It could be that the cream is absorbed differently into our system.

Just wanted to tell my experience with these drugs (hormones).

Oh, and tincup, BTW, Amands (lookin4answers), my daughter, seemed to have more Lyme-list symptoms while she was pregnant. So, maybe she doesn't have it. We can only hope.

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Tincup
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Interesting.
I'm wondering if the endometriosis I had for years isn't part of the the whole Lyme problem. In that as far as I can tell endo is really a symptom of a hormonal allergies.
And as we've started treating the lyme's my allergies seem markedly lower.
Though also about the time we started treating the lyme I had suddenly lower progesterone levels, causing acne and severe panic attacks. I've been using progesterone cream (rx not over the counter) and that seems to have leveled things off. Progesterone tablets did not help though. One thing I was reading it sounded like the neurotoxins from the lyme perhaps causes a depletion in hormones. I'm trying to work Cholestramine into my routine but so far I'm not awake long enough (and not taking meds) to actually take 4 dosages. But in theory if that works the progesterone levels should go back to normal. At least I hope so. Also I'm suspecting maybe there's something up with my estrogen as I've been very nauseous. hard to tell though as lots of things can cause nausea.

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Dr. Marilyn Barkly of UC Davis who has had lyme herself and published some papers on the topic has a yet to be published paper on this topic that concludes the same thing per her presentation at the SF Lyme Conference.

Pomegranite


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