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Posted by sapphire101 (Member # 6638) on :

I posted this under another topic but didn't get many responses. I would like others opinion on this.

If a baby gets lyme from the mother would they ever have the bull's eye rash or would they have to be bitten?

I'm concerned because my 6 month old grandbaby had a circle like rash on her tummy 2 weeks ago. She was here this past weekend and still had it. Her mother says it's because her g-mother put a new outfit on her without washing it.

I don't think it would have lasted that long if that's what it was from. I just found out today that hubby and daughter also has lyme. There's a good possibility that my son also has it. This is his baby and I'm afraid he passed it on to his wife and she to the baby.

The baby cries alot and was 6 weeks premature. One minute she is smiling at you and the next she is screaming. I don't know what is wrong with her but am concerned.

Am I crazy or is this a possibility?

Sapphire

Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :

It is definately in the catagory of a possibility.

Now to inform the parents to the point where they get the testing AND evaluation (preferable by far through the office of Doctor Charles Ray Jones, Lyme pediatriciam to over 6000 kids..)
is the hard part..

But the only way to hope to begin to find real answers. Also to note babies respond very well to needed therapy.

As far as the rash, could be existing Lyme (and other TBD's) sending a sign, or a new bite, or both..

But definately require testing and eval by Doc J..that info along with the other symptoms.

There are some articles here on transmission, and also congenital transmission, but research is lacking. There is some though..

Perhaps focus on the symptoms and rash will be best in the moment for the baby if Dad is not compelled to consider his own possible condition?

Has anyone taken photographs of the rash?

Best of Luck,

[This message has been edited by Mo (edited 19 January 2005).]

Posted by pattiecake (Member # 6424) on :

Did they give the baby any vaccinations lately? Many babies are given vaccinations too early and develope severe crying, rash's, and unfortunatly immune prolems/allergies. Im not trying to scare you or discount the lyme theory but my son had problems from vaccinations and I had lyme as well. POssibly the combo. I do know of babies though that had reactions to the vacs but the doctors will never admit that rash's and crying/irritability etc. constitute a reaction...then later when the child gets more and more shots and has problems they say "Vaccinations had nothing to do with it"
Sorry didnt mean to get off track. Just a possibility. Ask if the baby got shots recently.
Pattiecake

Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :

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Its possible.

Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :

The presence or absence of a rash may have to do with the person's current Mg level in the blood stream. A clue may be here:

"Hypomagnesia in Rats and rashes

Atopic Dermatitis-like Symptoms in Hypomagnesaemic Hairless Rats Are Prevented And Inhibited by Systemic or Topical SDZ ASM 981
Neckermann G, Bavandi A, Meingassner JG
Br J Dermatol. 2000;142:669-679

Magnesium deficiency in hairless rats results in a transient erythematous rash within several days, the pathogenetic mechanisms of which are not yet well defined. However, the extremely pruritic rash closely mimics the acute clinical features of atopic dermatitis."

Babies have a lot of Mg in storage (they got it from "mom"). This is why their bones are soft. They stand a better chance to heal. It takes Mg and Ca to make HEALTHY antibodies, but an infant's immune system isn't fully developed (hence the need to get antibodies in colostrum). However, since pathogens and drugs can cross in breast milk, this will make the child more vulnerable for a short time.

Is the infant on Isomil? Look for formulas that have a higher % of Mg:Ca.

Infants can be put on abxs., but be SURE to also put them on probiotics! You have to search, but a couple of companies make infant probiotics.

Watch for pyloric stenosis and GERD. Gerd will be a signal that the infant needs probiotics. We produce MORE stomach acid to PROMOTE the growth of the "friendly" bacteria in our bowels in order to ABSORB more Mg.
http://www.ctds.info/5_13_magnesium.html

Premature...been there (recently...my grandaughter!). Yes, indeed a Mg deficiency. One of the things they give to stop premature labor is Mg (IV). Watch out for the other drug, Terbutaline PMID: 14610225 (go to www.pubmed.com and in the search window, type in the #). This is brethine.

Was the infant given steroids? "To prevent chronic lung disease, doctors often give these babies the steroid dexamethasone to reduce inflammation." Research this!!! Dangerous.

I too am scared! My daughter does not have lyme, but her Mg levels are low (stress, asthma, TMJ). She had severe, prolonged N/V with the pregnancy and was on Zofran ($$$) for many, many months. She wouldn't listen to me, but trusted her doctor's treatments. Her infant developed pyloric stenosis, post op infections, Gerd, etc. I shipped her some infant probiotics to use when she was on abx. post op.

Delay immunizations as long as possible!

We have about a 3 year time span to halt and reverse this. Keep this in mind: Mg is capable of DNA REPAIR.

All we can do as "grannys" is pray a lot. Each of us choses our own pathway.

Posted by Stephanie (Member # 5941) on :

The snaps on outfits (like pants) are zinc and have been known to cause circular rashes where it touches the skin. Some babies scream 24/7 and some don't. Therefore it's not a good indicator of Lyme.