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Posted by cmichaelo (Member # 5873) on :
 
I have neuro Lyme and am generally foggyheaded.

I have noticed that everytime I drink red wine that the foggyheadedness disappears.

I start to remember well, speak well, and am much more intellectually sharp and "fast".

However, and unfortuanely, I only turn into Einstein for a couple of hours...

Another thing I noticed is that it only seems to happen with redwine. Not with white wine or beer.

Sounds familiar to anyone?

So what has this got to do with hypercoagulation?

Well, Dr. Crist (I believe) has found that 90% of all his neuro borrelliosis patients also suffer from hypercoagulation.

And supposedly, when given Heparin, a blood thinner, these patient improve on many of their neuro symptoms.

I'm not sure, but I recall that there's something special about red wine and that it's good for your heart or something.

Does anyone know what is in red wine, besides alcohol, that may thin the blood or have a possitive effect on blood flow in the brain?

And lastly, what governs your bloods ability to coagulate? What the test for this?

Michael
 


Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
 
Asprin thins blood.
 
Posted by SandiB (Member # 1557) on :
 
Forget the Heparin, too many side-effects.
Nattokinese is a natural blood thinner,will prevent clots and strokes. Go to website: http://www.myhealthpro.net/cgi-bin/store.pl

Description:

Isolated, purified and encapsulated nattokinase, an enzyme derived from boiled soybeans and Bacillus natto. Research has shown nattokinase to support the body in breaking up and dissolving the unhealthy coagulation of blood and to support fibrinolytic activity. Nattokinase is derived from soy.

My husband had a blood clot in the calf of his leg, near the surface. He took two Nattokinase twice a day and in three days the clot was completely dissolved. We both now take one capsule twice a day. Dr. Crist is correct most Lymies suffer from hypercoagulation, so adding this supplement to their diet is a good idea.

Best,
Sandi

 


Posted by SandiB (Member # 1557) on :
 
Red wine contains Reservatol and tannins.
"Reservatol is an antioxidant and is known to fight against cancerous tumors and for protection against heart disease."

The benefits of tannins:
Berries are rich in other healthy things. One example are tannins, the benefits of which were discovered in wine, mainly red, which is rich in them. Tannins come from the skin of the grape and its contact with the wood of the casks that wine is aged in. Tannins provide cardiovascular protection. In the same way, and is the case with wine, berries contain flavonoids, another group of anti-oxidants that are also found in cabbages. Flavonoids are good for the heart and have cancer-fighting properties.

Besides being anti-oxidants, berries are good for the body in other ways. Raspberries and blueberries have large amounts of soluble fiber, a substance which helps fight cholesterol and diabetes by blocking absorption of fat and sugar in the digestive system. Blueberries are also one of the few foods that contain vitamin E, which is present in abundance in some kinds of vegetable fat. Cranberries seem to have anti-septic qualities and are good for fighting infection, aside from boosting circulation. Finally, red currants enhance appetite and stimulate the body's hormone system.

SandiB
 


Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
 
Infections cause high (dead) protein concentrations in the blood. To thin the blood take enzymes (not right before a surgical intervention). Vitaelzym, Buluoke, etc. To be taken between meals to digest the proteins in the blood. Wobenzyme was good, but there are better ones available now.
Check around.

Aspirin a day is not a good thing to take - per not only my doctor, but several others I have heard speaking about this.

When I was still young, an eggyolk stirred into a small amount of red wine was theeee remedy for many things that ailed the body and brain.

Take care.

Now I use the egg yolk to wash my hair in between shampoos. And we have a glass of wine every night. Both feel good.
 


Posted by cmichaelo (Member # 5873) on :
 
Thanks all for your feedback.

That nattokinese sounds interesting, Sandi!

Are you more clearheaded after taking it?

From what everyone is saying above, though, it doesn't sound like red wine is a blood thinner, more so than white wine or other alcoholic drinks.

So could it be that the red wine triggers some other mechanism that improves blood flow in the brain?

Michael
 


Posted by ontariojane (Member # 6526) on :
 
I dunno, but now I no longer feel guilty for the two or three glasses of red wine I have been drinking each week since I got off flagyl (still on i.v. rocephin).
I know it relaxes me, and I did know it has antioxidant properties. Ironically, I stop slurring when I drink the wine, come to think of it.
Shay, you might be on to shompink!
Jane
 
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
 
Good old Bufferin. Perfect combo. ASA alone, not so good.

The acids (lots) react with the minerals (or glycogen) to make hydrogen. This is happening all the time in our bodies.
 


Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Red wine=sugar=yeast.....good luck!

Nattokinese is good if you can afford it. I've taken heparin now for 2 yrs....or is it three? Helps with pain and brain fog, as well as getting the abx and other meds deeper into the cells.

You would need an ISACS test for the hypercoagulation. Check info on www.hemex.com

Bromelain is another blood thinner that also helps with pain and is cheap.

Heparin works on the fibrinogen, which is very important.
www.drcharlescrist.com

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Lymetutu

 


Posted by cmichaelo (Member # 5873) on :
 
If neuro lymies in general also have a hypercoagulation problems, then shouldn't we all also have elevated blood pressure?

Shouldn't this be true if our blood has a tendency to clot faster than normal?

Michael
 


Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Well, maybe. But there are alot of other factors which can make BP high. Like weight gain, fluid retention, failing kidneys [?], eating alot of salt, etc.

Then there's the autonomic CNS stuff. Boy, I can tell I'm getting too technical for myself. heheehee!

I personally don't have high BP, but it was high when I weighed about 25 lbs more than I do now.

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Lymetutu

 


Posted by cmichaelo (Member # 5873) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lymetoo:
Well, maybe. But there are alot of other factors which can make BP high. Like weight gain, fluid retention, failing kidneys [?], eating alot of salt, etc.

Then there's the autonomic CNS stuff. Boy, I can tell I'm getting too technical for myself. heheehee!

I personally don't have high BP, but it was high when I weighed about 25 lbs more than I do now.


I don't have high BP either! And my weight is as always. I'm right where I'm supposed to be.

I'm curious about other neuro lymies if your BP is higher than normal and if you weigh more than, umm...don't hurt me now, more than your doctor would want you to weigh..

Michael
 


Posted by mountainmoma (Member # 6503) on :
 
Low blood pressure, 90/60. Low weight, about 108lbs for 5' 2', both on the lower side of normal, I think. I have "marketedly diminshed perfusion", lack of blood not getting to parts of my brain. Dont know If or how that might relate to hypercoagulation. If I get a cut or shot, it stops bleeding, clots on the slightly faster side. bruises stary forever it seems.
 
Posted by cmichaelo (Member # 5873) on :
 
I have also noticed that my buises seem to last for much too long.

I have not noticed if bleeding stops faster though.

Michael
 


Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Bruising is also associated with babesia. Been there??

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Lymetutu

 


Posted by ontariojane (Member # 6526) on :
 
Weight 127 lbs, 5'6" - Before I started rocephin weighed t10 pounds more..
bp 90/60 - always low, always has been.
Ontariojane
 
Posted by cmichaelo (Member # 5873) on :
 
Guess I should point in my stats too:

BP around 120/80, pulse ~55, 190lbs, 6'3".

Lymetoo, what do you mean with bruising?

What I mean with bruises is that if, say, I cut myself, that it takes an extraordinarily long time for wound to heal and go away.

I didn't mean to say that I easily get bruises, e.g., when I bump into something or when my wife slaps me around...

Michael
Michael
 




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