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Posted by lhm312 on :

Is anyone on Mobic? With Vioxx off the market and Bextra and Celebrex uncertain, my new primary care dr. is recommending Mobic for the inflammation. My LLMD is over 2 hrs away, so I went to a local dr. for this.

Vioxx worked wonders for the inflammation and pain in my legs, feet and arms, and the pain is back in full force since I went off it. It looks like I am retaining fluid there.

This dr. doesn't know I have Lyme, it would have been counter-productive to tell him. I didn't need him telling me all my symptoms were caused by Lyme when I was asking for something to replace the Vioxx. I also didn't tell him I am on Ketek, and will have to research if there is any interaction with the Mobic if I choose to take it.

What a tangled web we weave out of necessity.

Is there another anti-inflammatory that anyone is using instead of Vioxx that works ok with Ketek? Thanks a bunch.

Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

You might be interested in this: http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/032080.html

BTW....Happy Birthday!

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Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :

Well, here is another idea.

Serrapeptase: Silkworm Enzyme, reduces inflammation http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/032159.html
Apparently, Europeans have been using this for arthritis for a while.

I just got my order of serrapeptase yesterday, so today is my first full day on it. But I presently have the cold from hell, and it's difficult to tell if it's doing anything good yet.

Here's some information about using serrapeptase with antibiotics.

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Something to keep in mind whenever using antibiotics is that they may be more effective when taken with bromelain or other fibrinolytic enzymes. In humans, some undetermined activity of bromelain has been documented to increase blood and urine levels of antibiotics.

Serrapeptase teamed with antibiotics delivers increased concentrations of the antimicrobial agent to the site of the infection. Bacteria often endure a process called biofilm formation, which results in resistance to antimicrobial agents.

In an attempt to prevent this bacterial immunity, researchers have experimented with various means of inhibiting biofilm-embedded bacteria. One study conducted by Italian researchers suggests that proteolytic enzymes could significantly enhance the activities of antibiotics against biofilms.

Antibiotic susceptibility tests showed that serratiopeptidase greatly enhances the activity of the antibiotic, ofloxacin, and that it can inhibit biofilm formation. [Antimicrob Agents Chemother. 1993; 37(12): pp.2618-21]

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I hope this helps.
Carol

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Posted by robi (Member # 5547) on :

I use this...........
http://www.vitalzym.com/index.html

best price I have found is at iherb.com or

http://www.organic-pharmacy.com/VitalZym.htm

This stuff really works. Was turned on to it by my naturopath.

Hope this helps,
robi

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Posted by IBelieve (Member # 6834) on :

I do use mobic. It works really well for me. I didn't try anything else before that, so I don't know how it compares to others.

Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

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Originally posted by Carol in PA:
Something to keep in mind whenever using antibiotics is that they may be more effective when taken with bromelain or other fibrinolytic enzymes. In humans, some undetermined activity of bromelain has been documented to increase blood and urine levels of antibiotics.
Serrapeptase teamed with antibiotics delivers increased concentrations of the antimicrobial agent to the site of the infection.

That's exactly why heparin is so effective while taking antibiotics. Of course, natural is better....so as soon as my supply of heparin runs out, I'm switching to lumbrokinase.......or maybe serrapeptase??

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

Carol, Where's the info on ordering the Serrapeptase? I'd like to compare.

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Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :

Tutu,
I ordered serrapeptase from "Smart Nutrition." http://smart-nutrition.net/serrapeptase-research.htm

Click on "to order."

Robi,
I think the product you are using is similar to serrapeptase.
It also sounds similar to the Wobezym that Gigi was talking about.

Take care,
Carol

Posted by robi (Member # 5547) on :

fixed my above link.....also vitalzym has serraptase and lots of other enzymes. To work on inflamation it has to betaken on an empty stomach.

Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

Wow, the serrapeptase is significantly cheaper! BUT...I wonder how many capsules you have to take per day?

Gigi no longer recommends the Wobenzyme.

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Posted by robi (Member # 5547) on :

BTW you should try to get VitalzymX because it doesn't have titanium dioxide. Regular Vitalzym does contain titanium dioxide.

robi

Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :

Robi,
I read part of the info about the Vitalzym, and it sounds almost like the advertisement for Serrapeptase.
This is the first that I've really looked into enzymes.

Tutu,
I think the dosage varies by need. This brand that I bought has 10,000 units per tablet, although I did see others that had 20,000 or 30,000 units per tablet.

I bought a dozen bottles, so that should last me for a couple months, lol.
Unless I give some to my mom....

Also, you said, "Gigi no longer recommends the Wobenzyme."
Do you know why? Was there a problem with it, or did she find something better?

Take care,
Carol

Posted by Trillian (Member # 6857) on :

I've been on Mobic for a couple weeks now. It helps almost as much as Vioxx did, but I would much rather find something natural that helps. You can try the medication interaction checker at drugstore.com- click "Pharmacy" tab then towards bottom left of screen says "Drug Interaction Checker."

OTC Guaifenisin (Mucinex) helps with my muscle aches. Keeps my lungs clear, too.

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Posted by sLoTh (Member # 2229) on :

I work for the pharma company (Boehringer-Ingelheim) that makes Mobic. I am happy to hear that it is helping some of you.

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

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Originally posted by Trillian:
but I would much rather find something natural that helps.

here it is...It's better than drugs. http://www.goformangosteen.com

Carol,
GIGI said Dr K no longer recommends it. I think there was a problem, but I'm not sure what.

robi,
Is the only Vitalzym the one for $159? Don't they have smaller bottles?

I may just try the serrapeptase. Way cheaper.

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Posted by lhm312 on :

Lymetoo, thanks for the birthday wishes. A Lyme birthday isn't like others, with this one you sit home in pain and have your husband bring in food for you while you watch Law and Order SUV reruns. And I even got flowers!!

But, this is an absolutely perfect day here in Florida, not a cloud in the sky and almost 80 degrees already. God is good.

I thought it was so interesting that both Carol and Robi are recommending such similar products, it can't be coincidence. I think it's worth looking into.

I have the Mobic samples here and have been staring at them. I read the precautions, and at least had a good laugh. Apparently, if they don't kill you from a host of side effects, you could have less pain.

Lymetoo, I have also been considering the Xango, have been reading all the posts for weeks. It's just that it's so expensive, and seems to take a while to work. Question: does one need to take it forever to help with the inflammation or does it actually do healing?

You people here are wonderful, hope this is a blessed day for all.

Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

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Originally posted by lhm312:
It's just that it's so expensive, and seems to take a while to work. Question: does one need to take it forever to help with the inflammation or does it actually do healing?

YEA about the flowers! Hope you had a wonderful day!

Is a dollar a day worth it if your pain is GONE? Is $2 a day worth it if your pain is GONE?

I consider it priceless because it's given me my life back! You can't beat that with a stick!

It works rather quickly for pain relief, but I will admit that Lymies are tough nuts to crack! It took 2 bottles for me to be convinced something was happening.

I was only taking the $1 a day "remedy"...had I upped it sooner, my results would have been quicker.

Let me show you how to get it free. It's not that hard.

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

Oh, about the "healing"... It does have anti-microbial properties, as well as anti-malarial and anti-fungal properties....as well as about 20 other actions from the xanthones.

So I believe it will eventually get me well. I've been able to go off abx for the first time in 4 1/2 yrs. I think that says alot.

Lyme sets up inflammation in our bodies, and until all the keets are gone, the inflammation will be there. It actually feels as though the inflammation in my brain is gone!

That's not something you can measure, but my brain is working tremendously better! And no depression is pretty awesome in itself!

I have many people who have been able to get off some of their meds, and THAT will SAVE you money! I've gotten rid of at least 3 meds, not counting abx. Yea!

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