For scientific rationale see http://www.lassesen.com Scroll down left column, and select CFIDS link; then go to vitamin D links.

Back later with links to vit.D

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For links to VitD sites, studies, and very good results wr/t MS, Autoimm., etc., pull up first 10 messages in message index. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFSProtocol/?yguid=132280751

I bought a bottle of cholecalciferol(vitD3) that had a little bit of Ca-carbonate in it for the sole purpose of seeing what the effect would be.
I got tremendous relief by the 4 day, and notice a distinct relief by day 2. I'm amazed by it. I'm not quite sure how to interpret this result, even though I can parrot the lit. in-depth on the topic.

I started at 1 cap., (vitD3 X 400 i.u.+ Ca-carbonate X ?) X b.i.d., for 1-2 days; then went to 4 caps over 12 hours, until I finished the bottle, a small one.

Results, some paradoxical:
1. Decreased joint pain = elbow, in paricular, which was the worst;wrist; shoulder.
2. Increased warmness to face,esp. left pinna of ear + left face, and perhaps body.
A kind of flush of warmness. No body temp. measured
3. 'Cool-warmness' in right knee, and hip joints, and the right 'butanol.'
4. Spine: Decreased coolness,numbness at base of neck on left side, and slightly below.
Been off it for a few days, and symptoms returned, but not with same intensity as I had for the 2-3 weeks prior, were I had to stop using the mouse with rt.arm. Able to return to using right arm with mouse. Still have some Sx with use, but not intense return of Sx. Still, I'm switching to left hand to minimize damage, give rt. arm a rest for a month while I do this D, and explore concurrent use with associated minerals(Ca,Mg,B,and whatever else).

Current regimen: Haven't been able to do abx in a while. Using this D supp.+ some Bcplx + Bromel.+ papain. Ran out of Rutozym from which I got a distinct increase in mental speed and clarity, the effect of the latter of which I attribute to Nattokinase.

I started vit D again, today. Slight but distinctive relief in elbow Sx, and Sx as in the forgoing.

Hoping for 'Easter Herx,' and no 'root canals' from eating the chocolate(levity here).

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If the friend was eating anything in the mint family, and a lot of this, say concentrated as might occur in the form of a lifesaver, as happened to me with a peppermint-flavored lifesaver, this might have induced the vomiting.

If this is the case the explanation might be that definitely some, if not all mints, are spirochetalcidal.

The reason is that mints are,or,contain terpenes, and certain *terpenes* are spirochetalcidal.

Search Sci.med.diseases.lyme with,'spearmint' or 'mint' and _______? + Denticola. Supposedly,the _______Denticola spirochet is supposed to by spirochetalcidal.

3 years ago, I had a single peppermint lifesaver, on a truly empty stomach.

The following happened:

Severe nausea

I was in the middle of writing longhand, with extreme difficulty as it was, expressing thoughts, retrieving the right word, inaccurate words used,etc.(all lyme stuff), when in crescendo fashion, I became increasing difficult to execute the physical act of moving the pen across the page--making the letter formations.
I had to stop, rest try again because I got too fatigued, that is to say, my arm got too fatigued. I could tell this was my nerves.
I could not force myself to write. Had to give up.

First the severe nausea came, then, over the next 10 min., I developed this inability to implement the physical act of pressing the pen down on the page with any force, and moving the pen.

This came on suddenly, and after eating a single peppermint-flavored lifesaver on an empty stomach.
Because I hadn't eaten anything, and only that, I pegged it to this.

No chills.

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Originally posted by docdave130:
friend has some type of autoimmune disease.
treated incorrectly for lyme many years ago.
has bouts with vomittting and chills after eating , also severe burning joint pains
any thoughts

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I've had this a few times DocDave. When I was first sick with Lyme in '89, had about three weeks of non-stop vomiting, each episode accompanied by or followed by the chills (no fever, 99-100 at most).

More recently, I went through four weeks of this again and after a work up, was put on klonopin for what the GI doc described as "intestinal seizures" that were seen on endoscopy/colonoscopy. Klonopin helped a fair amount and episodes decreased in frequency. Weaned of klonopin a few weeks later and have only had a few episodes since.

However, if the question is does this constellation of symptoms sound like Lyme, that I would have to say is a long shot. Aside from the joints, I think the vomiting/chills is not a common symptom.

Hope this is the sort of info you were looking for Doc.
 

On Chills,

Check if chills are accompanied by feeling cold, or, could these 'chills' be what I had, slight, and a little-more-than -slight,involuntary vibrative movements of body parts; Jonathan Bleiweiss,M.D.,in his essay treatise, "When To Suspect Lyme..." spoke of "...truncal shudders..." which I had. Your whole trunk shudders--short,slightly rapid movements.
Even my head would shake quickly,say "4-5" times, as though there were a sudden chill, BUT WITHOUT the sensation of cold.

Bleiweiss attributed certain involuntary kinds of limb movements,with a (poly)-neuritis, calling them pseudo-seizures.
My left leg once "went-off," moving sort of like the leg of a frog in one's hand, but contracting and extending in a rhythmic manner.

For what its worth, I gave an extended reply which may be afield a bit, but in my experience I had the body movements of a "chill" but without the accompanying chill. I don't recall a sensation of cold (chill) with these shudders/short rapid,brief invol. moves..

pq
 

I was having weird chills after I would eat and a little dizziness a few months before the impending doom would make itself known when I got horrendously sick.

Turns out I had lyme, ehrlichia hme & hge, and babesia.

I hope your friend finds a respected LLMD and gets in to see them soon. Also make sure they go through a reputable lab...my personal favourite is IgeneX.