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Posted by HEATHERKISS (Member # 6789) on :
 
I'm contiplating removeming my 3 silver filings.

At the Dentist I go to they just take them out, grind the tooth alittle and put the new filing. $135 each tooth.

They didn't even know what a bio dentist was....... Do I have this terminology correct?


 


Posted by snowboarder (Member # 6346) on :
 
Hello Heather,

Same dilema over here. My dentist has been a biological dentist for over 20 years and your terminology is correct. He takes great percautions in removing mercury fillings i.e. special ventilation system and patient is well protected.

This dentist highly recommends a vitamin c drip after removing fillings.

At this point, I haven't decided if I will remove fillings now or wait. I'm wondering if you can safely remove fillings and do lyme tx at the same time.

Best of luck!


 


Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
A regular dentist wouldn't admit he knew what a biological dentist was even if he DID know!

I had my removed 2 1/2 yrs ago. I have to believe it helped. I had a mouth full of them.

I think you'd be better off finding a biological dentist so the fillings are safely removed.

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Posted by docdave130 on :
 
hey i'm a regular dentist and knows what a biological dentist is.
actually from a professional standpoint, a biological dentist is good and bad.
first, he uses the proper techniques to remove old amalgams,although the only difference is an extra filter on the suction.most biological dentists got in to it for the money, disperate people want to try anything and there is always somebody to pray on the weak.
their techniques are probably a little bit better than the average dentist, but some of the materials they use are in question.
the filling material for root canals expands to 10 times its size and can easily crack a root in half if not done correctly.
gold fillings are the best period no amalgam no composite.
the egyptians used gold before Crist and the filling are still in the muumys, hows that for longevity

 
Posted by janet thomas (Member # 7122) on :
 
Hey docdave- I had my 8 silver fillings replaced 15 years ago because of poor health (probably was TBD) and replaced by gold. I have read once or twice gold is just as unhealthful as mercury amalgams. It was $2400 for the work, so you're probably right about the money angle.

I have had 2 of the gold inlays fall out. One replaced by a gold crown and one replaced by composite.

My 13 yr old has had 2 small cavities. Our dentist refuses to work with gold so I had him put composite in her mouth.

What's wrong with composite?

How about porcelin?

What's your take on fluoride?
 


Posted by Areneli (Member # 6740) on :
 
I would be nice to read a story of somebody who removed mercury fillings and suddenly became healthy or at least yeast free.
 
Posted by bobdavis (Member # 510) on :
 
My dentist only removes the silver/mercury fillings when they start leaking. There is only one left after about 6 years. I changed dentists after my dentist insisted on putting a mercury/silver filling back in.

At one point I had about 8 or 9 of those mercury/silver fillings. It has helped a lot to get them replaced. I always get worse when they start to leak. Not to mention the tooth aches...

Now about flouride... It was first used during WWII to control prisioners. It damages the thyroid and reduces your energy levels. I'm to tired to break out of prison.

If you have any thyroid problems avoid flouride like the plague. I think they overuse it intentionally to subjugate the population. Some people have sued to get the flouride removed from the drinking water. I used a activated carbon filter on our drinking water.
 


Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
 
How Mercury Disrupts the Body

Once it has leached from the dental fillings and infiltrated the body, mercury becomes a neurotoxin, says Dr. Klinghardt. Strangely, a neurotoxin is a substance the nerve cells voluntarily absorb, even though it is poisonous.

They do this out of curiosity, Dr. Klinghardt explains. Nerve endings in the peripheral nervous system constantly scan their environment, engulfing foreign particles and bringing them across the cell membrane for inspection. ``The substances may then travel all the way up from the foot to the spinal cord and get presented to the nerve cells there.'' If the substance is judged to be harmful, the body tries to produce an antitoxin to neutralize it and eliminate it from the body.

But there are two problems here when it comes to mercury, Dr. Klinghardt cautions. ``As it travels up in the nerve, it destroys the body's mechanism and substance, called tubulin, for transporting substances in the nerves (breaking down the bridges behind it, as it were), and in effect, destroying the nerve. Second, the body has not yet learned how to make an ant-neurotoxin against mercury.''

Laboratory studies have shown that within 24 hours of injecting a minute dose of mercury into a muscle anywhere in the body (monkeys were used in the study), it would be present in the spinal cord and brain. The mercury was also present in the kidneys, lungs, bloodstream, connective tissue, and adrenal and other endocrine glands. In the brain, it tended to congregate in the hypothalamus, which regulates the sympathetic nervous system, and in the limbic system (associated with the brainstem), believed to be the organic seat of emotions.

While mercury levels slowly dissipate in a predictable amount of time from other body tissues and even from the teeth (in six weeks, its levels might be halved), mercury does not have a ``half-life'' in the nervous system or brain. Instead, it binds firmly to a specific chemical compound which happens to exist there in the body's highest concentrations.

``The main devastating effect of mercury in the nervous system is that it interferes with the energy production inside each cell,'' says Dr. Klinghardt. ``The nerve cell is impaired in its ability to detoxicy itself {and excrete the mercury} and in its ability to nurture itself. The cell becomes toxic and dies, or lives in a state of chronic malnutrition. A multitude of illnesses, usually associated with neurological symptoms, result''. Among these are chronic viral and fungal illnesses, recurrent episodes of bacterial infections, and chronic fatigue.

By a curious self-preservation reflex of the body, the emergence of these conditions can be viewed as a way of accommodating the heavy metal presence, speculates Dr. Klinghardt. ``Most, if not all chronic infectious diseases are not caused by a failure of the immune system, but are a conscious adaptation of the immune system to an otherwise lethal heavy metal environment.''

Mercury suffocates the cells and they die, so the immune system cultivates fungi and bacteria which are able to bind large amounts of the toxic metal in their respective cell walls, thereby enabling the patient's cells to breathe again. The downside, of course, is that the body must now feed these otherwise undesirable microbes and deal with their toxic waste. In addition, a person with mercury contamination often becomes zinc deficient and the functioning of copper and other minerals in the body will be compromised as well.

This perspective leads Dr. Klinghardt to the following strong statement: ``As soon as anybody has any type of medical illness or symptom, whether medical or emotional, the amalagam fillings should be removed and the mercury residue should be eliminated from the body, especially the brain.'' (Just removing the amalgam fillings is not enough. That is just the start in order to stop the source of contamination. The detoxing of all of the body has to follow to get improvement. Sometimes it takes months, sometimes it takes years before most of it is out of the body. Relief will come gradually as the toxic load is reduced. GG)

Neural therapy is useful in treating mercury-based problems in the nerve ganglia, says Dr. Klinghardt. Mercury, as a heavy metal (which means heavier than water) tends to accumulate in the lowest parts of the body, such as the floor of the mouth, the pelvic floor, and the feet. Pelvic symptoms in both men and women, ``are very commonly caused by metal toxicity of the Frankenhaeuser ganglia.''.

A mercury accumulation in this nerve plexus can account for premature ejaculation and an enlarged prostate in men, and endometriosis, pelvic pain, and hormonal dysfunction in women, Dr. Klinghardt says. Neural therapy ``cleans up'' this area by injecting the Frankenhaeuser ganglia (just above the pubic bone) with a local anesthetic.

``This opens up most of the ionic channels in the cell wall; the cell is then able to excrete a high number of its toxic components.'' This painless injection spurs the body to dump a large amount of mercury into the urine, Dr. KLINGHARDT SAYS.

 


Posted by docdave130 on :
 
composite materials are plastics that have free bis-gma monomers which are highly toxic to the nerve and by far not compatable.
however at this time is the best replacement material on the market for amalgams.
porcelain is good but must be glued in with composite cement.
gold and titanium are basically inert in the body abd have been used for body replacements for the last 100 years.
new technology for fillings include using hydroxy-appatite , the material enamel is made from and regrowing it into the tooth.
some of the newer toothpastes now have hydroxy-appatite in them to reduce or prevent new cavities.
there is also a vaccine in the near future for cavities and also periodontal disease, but htese may cause more harm than good since they will kill the norma flora bacteria in your mouth and replace them with yeast.
since gigi is at this post site i will not give you my oppinion on flouride, you can email me because she will just post another 2 pages of undocumented materials on this subject, and i'm not getting in a p-ssing match with her ,since she is the dental expert on this forum
 
Posted by docdave130 on :
 
arenelli:
it will never happen. the mercury in your body is 85% FROM OTHER SOURCE THAN AMALGAMS
unless your immune system is zero and you remove all amalgams, and go thru a rigorous detoxing procedure, you will not get instant relief from removing your amalgams, is just won't happen.
85% of all mercury in your body is from environmental sources, food sources, vaccines, medicines,paints, toxic waste, inceneration of waste, and many more sources.
the only instant relief anybody gets from amalgam removal is a placebo effect and a very large dental bill not covered by insurance, and also illegal by ADA guidelines at the present time.
 
Posted by HEATHERKISS (Member # 6789) on :
 
Who has done it? Is it alot more than $135 per tooth.

Thanks everyone for imput.

How do you detox mercury?
 


Posted by DolphinLady (Member # 6275) on :
 
I'm allergic to gold. Weird I know, but it's true. It's either an allergy or sensitivity. In any event, for me gold is out.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
NO on the flouride! [Were we voting? ]

Heather:
It was less than $135 a tooth for me. I think it cost me $1200 for a whole mouthful.

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Posted by igotslyme (Member # 7190) on :
 
i had 4 removed and went through mercury detox iv's for 3 months last summer. i had medium range elevated mercury levels. however after removing fillings and getting merc levels down to a more acceptable range i didnt have any change in health issues. (i also had not been diagnosed w/ lyme and babs yet- the true source of problems)

my advice is that mercury fillings are time bombs that could potentially go off. you never know. some people can totally tolerate high levels of mercury and be fine. other people's bodies will freak out. (w/ many nasty symptoms that lyme can give you) my advice would be to get rid of them if you can afford it.

having my mercury fillings removed did not make a difference to how i was feeling but i feel way better now after doing it and dont regret the $$$ spent.

plus i made many cool friends while strapped to the vitamin c iv drip all those months. everyone had crazy stories to share.

also i trust my new dentist so much more because he informs me about controvercial viewpoints of procedures from both sides of the story. this way i make an informed decision on how to proceed. other dentists are have the integrity of the ada more in mind or are just out of touch with the dangers of many modern dental procedures.

[This message has been edited by igotslyme (edited 18 April 2005).]
 


Posted by docdave130 on :
 
heather:
if you only have 3 small filling i would have them replaced with composite. the expense is not much, and the dentist can bill the dental insurance company for an amalgam, since the insulting insurance companies with not pay for composites in back teeth, since they consider it cosmetic, but the dds is allowed to bill for replacement of a filling with silver will pay for half the procedure..
any questions email me and if he won't fill out the insurance form i can show you how, just have him sign the bottom.
MAKE SURE THAT THE DDS USES A POSTERIOR COMPOSITE PREFERABLY HELIOMOLAR. THEY ARE MUCH STORNGER AND LAST LONGER WITHOUT ABRASION.
 
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
 
Before this expense and ouch...why not know for sure if you are storing/pulling from storage the heavy metals?

Get your urine tested for heavy metal toxicity. Doctor's Data in Illinois can do this, although you will have to pay (only insurance picks up lead testing).

Go to: www.doctorsdata.com (there are other labs too)

Must be ordered thru MD...with results sent to MD.

Consider having your essential mineral levels checked by them too...then you will know EXACTLY where you are at...which minerals are low, which are normal...what to supplement/focus on.
 


Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
 
Re Doctor's Data: The mineral status will tell your doctor whether you harbor heavy metals even if they challenge test does not bring forth any abnormal levels. That often happens, especially when the minerals are our of whack, which they are with many heavy metal toxic persons. So it's wise to have a doctor who can read the test and determine based on symptoms and other factors whether you have a metal problem. It's not easy, but a knowledgable physician will be able to pinpoint the problem if there is any.

It has happened that people had a normal challenge test up to the point where they brought their minerals into balance, at which point the body will be able to release some of them. There is no test that tells how much remains in the system and where they are located, except by ART testing.

It does not matter what the source of the toxicity is - amalgams, environmental/professional exposure, food supply, etc. Water wells are often also the culprit in form of other toxic metals. (alu, arsenic, lead)
I have met semi-dead people from nickle from their private water wells. So it's a good thing to check all out.

 


Posted by HEATHERKISS (Member # 6789) on :
 
GUESS WHAT?!!!

My dentist and his whole family had Lyme in the mid 90s. They are all doing well.

He had the LLMD that was in Trenton....... who ended up killing himself.

Anyway my dentist still has all his silver filings and is doing fine.

So for now they are staying.

I had one cavity filled and didn't touch the silver.

Thanks for the imput.

Heather
 


Posted by electric (Member # 6572) on :
 
hi heather,
just remember that every person has a completely different tolerance for mercury in the system. my chelation doc said he had tested a woman w/ levels so toxic that they should have meant utter death. however the 60 year old woman was in good health and felt fine. at the same time many other patients (usually younger) would have much more severe symptoms w/ only slightly elevated levels of mercury. having lyme or co-infection i would guess put us even more at risk.

also remember that most dentists dont "BUY" into the mercury concept. they claim its a bunch of hogwash. (because they would get sued off their keysters if they admitted the truth) the ama has most dentists pretty brainwashed or tied by the balls if you will. in MN docs who advocate against mercury fillings get run out of town. i am sure it is the same in other states.

with that said GOOD LUCK! at least knowing the mercury removal is an option may be beneficial down the road for you.

regards,
electric


 


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