I have also heard from other lymies that they are more intuitive and now posess more extrasensory qualities since they have been sick. Do you think that people had these qualities before they became ill or do you think the illness has enhanced these qualities either due to spiritual growth or organic brain changes? And or is a certain "type" of person more prone to the disease to begin with?
Margie
She said that she could tell who it was "by the way the phone rings" and would have us answer it as children by picking up the phone and saying, "Hello Mrs. Fernandez!" (or whomever she knew it was). Some folks laughed, some were creeped out...
But I don't know if she had this magical power before the Lyme or not, since she's had it for so long. Heh, it'd be nice if Lyme gave your brain *something* other than not being able to complete a sentence or think of the name of the object in your hand...
A long time ago I heard of someone who developed ESP after being struck by lightning (and surviving...wow). Lightning is an EXTREME negative charge (docs give massive electrolytes to compensate). Hummmm. Does an acidic/neg. charge area in a particular location of the brain trigger ESP?
So much we still do not know.
"The greatest crisis facing us is a crisis in the organization and accessibility of human knowledge. We own an enormous `encyclopedia' which isn't even arranged alphabetically. Our `file cards' are spilled on the floor. The answers we want may be buried in the heap."
Robert Heinlein
This topic reminds me of that John Travolta movie (can't think of the name...) where he obtained special powers because he had been struck by lightning AND had a brain tumor... ???
What is that name of that movie?
Sometimes I think I'm smarter - but then wonder at other times if that was just a delusional thought to keep me from sinking into a deep dark depression....which come to think of it - that IS a pretty 'smart' tactic to prevent depression!
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DR. Wiseass - not a real doc - just a real wise ass.
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Originally posted by DR. Wiseass:
Well of course we're 'special'!!This topic reminds me of that John Travolta movie (can't think of the name...) where he obtained special powers because he had been struck by lightning AND had a brain tumor... ???
What is that name of that movie?
I agree totally. I think this too and have mentioned it to others. I had a big conversation with my girlfriend a few months ago about this exact thing. I am too tired brain wise and physically to get into right now as it requires, some explaining, but I have no doubt about this. Your'e on the right track keep it up.
Lymiecanuck
it might be that lyme sufferers are more withdrawn into their own thoughts, and thus more aware of certain capabilities, or that because of the withdrawal we pay more attention to our thoughts. I don't know. It's bizarre.
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Originally posted by daystar1952:
This may sound like a strange question but with many lymies...perhaps not all....I find they seem to express a higher level of intelligence and many times also sensitivity. Has anyone else noticed this?I have also heard from other lymies that they are more intuitive and now posess more extrasensory qualities since they have been sick. Do you think that people had these qualities before they became ill or do you think the illness has enhanced these qualities either due to spiritual growth or organic brain changes? And or is a certain "type" of person more prone to the disease to begin with?
Margie
There are similar deductions about people with syphilis.
Part of the neuropsychopathology of the disease process.
Somehow tho ...not sure how ...I think it is also tied in with the spiritual. I can't remember if I ever told the following story...if I have just skip over it. It seems as if more and more things like this are happening to me and it also seems that lyme was the catalyst..Whether it was an organic catalyst or a spititual catalyst, I don't know.
THE ORGAN STORY
When my children were little we would visit a divorced older woman across the street. She was very motherly and always made us feel at home. She had an old pump organ that she would let the kids play on whenever they visited.
After she passed on her relatives wanted us to have the organ. We kept it for maybe 8 years or so and I enjoyed playing hymns and Christmas carols on it. The my mother gave us a beautiful table and there was no room to put it. We decided that we had had the organ long enough and that I could sell it at the antique store that I shared with a partner.
The organ sat there for a couple months when one day a man walked in looking for anything made by a local company which had gone out of business.He had never been in the store before. As he was looking around he noticed the organ and commented on how it looked like the one he played as a child. After a few more minutes he left.
The next day he came back and said he wanted to buy the organ..even tho he really didn't know how to play. Then he said to me that a Mrs. Morrison used to let him play it as a child. My jaw dropped and I said...Mrs Morrison!!!!.....That's the woman who owned this organ! We were both just amazed.Mrs. Morrison had moved from the town where he lived as a boy to across the street from us. It was like my time was up with the organ and now it was his turn. Pretty neat, huh?
Many times a persons name pops into my mind and within seconds the photo rings and it's them.
One time I was driving into a home plumbing course and as I was passing by and old rural abandoned gas station I immediately had a feeling that I was going to be in the building. I thought this was dumb! I drove on to the class on practical home plumbing at the community college. At the end of the class the instructor announced that his plumbing company had just bought a new building and in two weeks the class would be held in... you guessed it, the abandoned gas station, soon to be a plumbing shop that I passed by.
I was driving by a strip mall and a store there advertised head stones. Got the same feeling that I would be in this store. Two months later my dad died... Got the head stone made at this store.
Have also had this same feeling passing by an auto body shop...within weeks I was in an accident.
The strangest was a dream I had where I was standing at the front of a church, speaking. My eyes clearly saw my whole family, my nephew and neice were the first ones I saw then the rest of the family. I thought as I woke up that maybe I will be speaking in church some day. Six months later my mom died. The paster asked me to read a selection from the Bible during the funeral, as I read the verse I looked up at the audience. The first people I saw were my neice and nephew, and there was my whole family just as I saw it in my dream.
Several years ago I had a vivid dream about a large airplane taking off then turning over upside down and crashing. A few days later in Chicago and American Airlines DC 10 lost an engine on takeoff, turned over upside down in the air and crashed....
We know that many people with autism have increased mental capabilities in certain areas, while decreased capacity in others. In particular, they can't understand and interpret social signals. There are many who think autism is related to an infection.
However, it may also be that we interact with a selected group of Lymies that are not representative on the whole. The Lyme patients that find it to this board, that find it to an LLMD, that push for a diagnosis and treatment without settling for less, are a pre-selected group. Honestly, there are probably many people who don't know how to get where we are. [HENCE THE NEED FOR MORE PUBLIC EDUCATION ON LYME!!!]
As for sensitivity, how can we not be sensitive to others after what we have all experienced?
Then again, I think of a website I found when I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia. The website claimed to have proven that people with fibro are actually victims of alien abduction. So maybe we are all pawns in an episode of the X Files...
He also has had what I call "swammy powers"
since he was little.
Could predict things...extremely inuitive.
Mo
From an ESP point of view, I have had that conversaition with my wife.
She pulls out a hair, sticks it on my head and asks "so what am I thinking now then?"
I Got four in a row before she started to freak out.. Mind you, they were:
1. Baked beans
2. Chocolate muffins
3. Plants for the back yard
4. Sex.
No kidding! She got 3 out of four of her wishes.
I have woke up with a bad feeling and started praying hard knowing that one of my grown children was in trouble and then while I am praying the feeling goes away. I can confirm the incident with child next day and they were always in danger of some type that all at once was resolved.
I have turned to people and answered their question numerous times and they hadn't asked me yet. But I heard them as clear as day.
I have described whole lists of people site unseen as to what they looked like and was correct in detail.
I have dreams that come true and can always tell which ones will.
We used to play a mind reading game with my husbands two brothers. They would pick out three objects in the room without looking at them and then I would try to guess what they had picked, They stopped playing with me and still think I'm wierd.
I could not only tell them which objects but describe their exact terminology.
I can take one look at someone and not only tell you what they do for a living but what their parents do. I can tell the sex of an unborn child and always know who is on the phone.
I remember a time when a good friend was severely depressed. She hugged me and I felt an intense pain on my skin and inside. I had to leave her room because it was so painful.
I basically turned it off at some point. I think it just became too much to handle, and I didn't know how to control it. I've always thought this is something we all probably are born with, but that we shut off as we get socialized and "grow up."
But, back to my previous autism comparison...many autistics complain that touch is painful. I used to baby sit an autistic boy. Whenever I saw him around town, my mom would tell me to hug him. I never did hug him. I would just talk to him. He became very attached to me, and after reading about autism, I really believe one reason is that I never tried to touch him.
I am very senstive to people's vibe. This has kept me out of dangerous situations more than once. I have had many feelings over the years, that were clues to things, hard to explain, like I was seeing something coming and wouldn't be surprised when things happened. Except for when I was pacing the floor at 17 sick with lyme and didn't know it, thinking my boyfriend was in an accident. and sat beside the phone it rang and it was him in an accident.
I have had no visions though, only strong feeings. I have always been like this, just stronger at times then others. Really used to freak me out around the teenage years, and learned to not think about it, kind of like a fleeting thought I would kinda ignore, and not let it bother me too much. It;s all strange. When I was talking to my friend about it , she told me about a relative many years ago, who had healing hands.
I also feel lymies in general have a connection with each other. I can think of people over the years that really appealed to me or I got along well with, who, now that I know I have lyme, they most likely do as well. Really strange. I often think too, that many of us, could be from the same clans from many many generations ago, in Ireland, Scotland etc. Just my feeling, strange though.
Take Care
Lymiecanuck
I know since Lyme, I've been feeling more and more disconnected and detached from the physical world, but more intuitive, sensitive, and in tune on other levels.
another thing to think about...right now there are some major shifts going on in the world - physically with the earth, spiritual, etc...kinda scary to think about, but we're not far from leaving this place.
Makes me wonder if most people, even healthy, are experiencing similar changes, but since we are sick, we are more in tune with our bodies and minds, so maybe we recognize it easier. just some thoughts...
interesting topic!
nietzche almost certainly suffered general paresis and although usually thought of as a philospher, he was also a brilliant psychologist. freud stole ideas liberally from nietzche. of him it has been stated that "he knew himself better than any other man has known himself".
a mainstream doc would say.
You know all these "symptoms" sound like bi-polar disorder. Since it is genetic do you remember anyone in your family acting strangelly or depressed?
You probabbly have bi-polar lets get you started on some mood stabalizers!!!!!
Oh great now I really wont know what the f*k is going on!
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OK, I'll chime in. I dream things that happen. My brain fog doesn't let me remember specifics but it's true. There's something that I dreamed recently that has happened recently but there is an outcome that I'm still waiting for so I won't elaborate.
The REALLY weird thing with me is that street lights go out as I pass under them more often than a normal person. I can even tell someone else it's going to happen before it does. That really freaks people out.
Best Wishes,
Corgilla
LYNN LIZ
Alot of my dreams, come true. Thats about the only "good" that often times happens and when it does, I feel dejavu then remember I had dreamed it.
I have an odd connection with my sister, Connie. Anytime she is not feeling well, I can feel it.
And twice, I was told BY psychics that I WAS psychic but that "I'm denying it because I don't know how to focus and accept it"
Welp... whatever on that! LOL
As far as sympathy.. no, Im less sympathetic. I used to actually care if someone got a sore throat. But now, complain about a simple sore throat in front of me
and get an ear bashing on "trivial health concerns".
She told me a lot, but the crux of it was that I had been infected by a tiny, oval shaped, dark "parasite" that was living in my cells - this was the root of all my trouble. I thought she was nuts!
I didn't mention this medical intuitive to any doc for 4 years, because it just seemed too weird. But I mentioned it recently, as an illustration as to just how desperate I've been to get well, almost as a joke. And there I was, 4 years after the intuitive visit, sitting at my doc's office, hearing her say, "That sounds like a spirochete. That could be it"!! ...and now here I am on abx.
For what it's worth, I do think that illness leads to higher sensitivity/intuition.
As far as IQ is concerned, I normally have a very high IQ but with Lyme, it's gone down at least 20 pts. I feel like it's more, but that's how I scored last.
That brings us back to the genetic coding possibility. That definitely sounds like an interesting avenue to look in to.
Corgilla
For as long as I can remember I have had an unusual ability to recall numbers to the point of it being almost annoying, my mother had this same 'quality'. I mean I remember everyone's phone number of any friend/aquaintance/neighbor, etc I ever had since the age of 5 or so, every license plate of every car I've had, or license plates of others I know, etc - I am the walking phone book in my house. However, this 'ability' (not a very useful one) has lessened a little in the last couple of years. I don't know if it is Lyme related, but it is possible. It is possible that I have congenital Lyme (with a topup of tickbite Lyme later in life).
I also have premonitions, usually of the negative type (never a positive premonition strangely). I dreamt that my cousin who was like my sister, died, and that I was at her funeral. 6 months later she suddenly dropped dead, aged 32.
I have also dreamt I've been at my own funeral - well, I can pretty much predict that will come true as we're all heading that way.
As a child, I'd have repeated dreams that the sky was red and planets were falling - before I think I even knew about planets. I don't know what that means, but it sure was strange.
I can often sense that the phone is about to ring - and it does, etc. Little things like that.
I think I am also a good character judge, I have a good bull**** sensor and usually know very quickly whether a person is genuine/nice etc. (whereas my husband's sensor is crap - apart from when he chose me of course ).
My IQ, which as a teenager apparently was in the genius range (not bragging here, but is what I was told when I was tested in High School), now is more like in the dumb range I think. It certainly has gone down, I think by about 30/40 points, perhaps going up a little again with treatment.
Anyway, although I am getting better at recognizing premonition/feelings before they happen, they are usually in hindsight, then I feel too embarassed to tell anyone as I figure they won't believe me anyway.
DLL
LiveScience
Some scientists say humans can read minds
Mirror neurons may generate ability to empathizeBy Ker Than
Updated: 4:54 p.m. ET April 27, 2005Empathy allows us to feel the emotions of others, to identify and understand their feelings and motives and see things from their perspective. How we generate empathy remains a subject of intense debate in cognitive science.
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Some scientists now believe they may have finally discovered its root. We're all essentially mind readers, they say.
The idea has been slow to gain acceptance, but evidence is mounting.
Mirror neurons
In 1996, three neuroscientists were probing the brain of a macaque monkey when they stumbled across a curious cluster of cells in the premotor cortex, an area of the brain responsible for planning movements. The cluster of cells fired not only when the monkey performed an action, but likewise when the monkey saw the same action performed by someone else. The cells responded the same way whether the monkey reached out to grasp a peanut, or merely watched in envy as another monkey or a human did.
Because the cells reflected the actions that the monkey observed in others, the neuroscientists named them "mirror neurons."
Later experiments confirmed the existence of mirror neurons in humans and revealed another surprise. In addition to mirroring actions, the cells reflected sensations and emotions.
"Mirror neurons suggest that we pretend to be in another person's mental shoes," says Marco Iacoboni, a neuroscientist at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Medicine. "In fact, with mirror neurons we do not have to pretend, we practically are in another person's mind."
Since their discovery, mirror neurons have been implicated in a broad range of phenomena, including certain mental disorders. Mirror neurons may help cognitive scientists explain how children develop a theory of mind (ToM), which is a child's understanding that others have minds similar to their own. Doing so may help shed light on autism, in which this type of understanding is often missing.
'Vulcan Approach'
Over the years, cognitive scientists have come up with a number of theories to explain how ToM develops. The "theory theory" and "simulation theory" are currently two of the most popular.
Theory theory describes children as budding social scientists. The idea is that children collect evidence -- in the form of gestures and expressions -- and use their everyday understanding of people to develop theories that explain and predict the mental state of people they come in contact with.
Vittorio Gallese, a neuroscientist at the University of Parma in Italy and one of original discovers of mirror neurons, has another name for this theory: he calls it the "Vulcan Approach," in honor of the Star Trek protagonist Spock, who belonged to an alien race called the Vulcans who suppressed their emotions in favor of logic. Spock was often unable to understand the emotions that underlie human behavior.
Gallese himself prefers simulation theory over this Vulcan approach.
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Originally posted by Corgilla:
Hi,OK, I'll chime in. I dream things that happen. My brain fog doesn't let me remember specifics but it's true. There's something that I dreamed recently that has happened recently but there is an outcome that I'm still waiting for so I won't elaborate.
The REALLY weird thing with me is that street lights go out as I pass under them more often than a normal person. I can even tell someone else it's going to happen before it does. That really freaks people out.
Best Wishes,
Corgilla
Being ill with lyme has really heightened this ability.
I feel it's because I'm alot more still, calm and quiet now. In other words, I'm not distracted by the "noise" of living a full, hectic, busy life anymore.
I've had deja vu most of my life. Recently I've had a couple bizarre incidents.
The first I was sitting at a stoplight, and the light turned green and the car ahead of me pulled forward. Only. That hadn't happened yet and I bumped into the car. Fortunately reality meshed again so it was only a light tap.
The second one similar incident only walking. I was waiting at a stoplight with co-workers, the light changed my friend next to me started to cross and I followed. Or rather I slammed into her and nearly pushed her in front of a moving car.
So now I'm totally paranoid about it happening again. Maybe it's just predicatable behavior and I'm being overvigilant and planning things out too much in my head. Both times though it was like it had already happened only suddenly I was back 3 seconds in time and nearly causing a bad accident.
I'm pretty intuitive, but I fully blame PTSD and my scary childhood for that. (of course this also gave many doctors fodder to say my fatigue and pain was really just depression instead of actually trying to do anything.)
I'd have to agree, but also severe dips, and at one point, was almost on my way to the Sorborne di Subaltern[ity],wondering if the next stop was sitting in a wheel chair, in kitty litter, incontinent of "waterworks" and "south-end FedEx packages," forever staring at that test pattern on a black and white TV; ya know, the one with the rabbit ears,using some kitchen fork to change the channels, cause the channel-knob broke,having startle-responses to the Marx Bros.; or else somewhere trying to saddle-up the camels to join the minutemen! 
:P 
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