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Posted by Jellybelly (Member # 7142) on :

Our family is focusing on Lyme now. I am wonder about yeast. Yeast has been a HUGE problem for me and I know it is a problem for my daughter. She eats any regular sugar and her tongue gets all white in a few hours.

Should she deal with the yeast first, then the Lyme?

Posted by Aniek (Member # 5374) on :

You need to deal with the yeast and lyme at the same time. The abx will kill the natural bacteria in your system and yeast will grow in its place, unless you follow a yeast prevention while treating the Lyme. So, if you clear the yeast pre-abx, you have a chance of having it come back from the abx.

Now, Lyme itself can also lead to yeast overgrowth because of the imbalance it creates in the system. It's one of those cycles.

Posted by Jellybelly (Member # 7142) on :

I realize that part, but thank you. I am talking about having a SERIOUS yeast overgrowth now, before ABX even begin. I am afraid if we don't deal with the yeast first, when we introduce ABX we could end up with a catastrophic yeast problem.

I am thinking we should hit the yeast first, get it under control then start ABX. Use good probiotics and treat for yeast as needed. Probiotics do absolutely nothing at this point, nothing.

So has anyone dealt with a major yeast before treating Lyme?

Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

Mine was pretty bad. I didn't know I had Lyme and treated the yeast for about 2 months before I found out I had Lyme.

You could do it in about 2-3 wks....but I think you could also do it at the same time as Lyme treatment.

Candida elimination: http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/021412.html

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Posted by beachcomber (Member # 5320) on :

JB:

You might have to take an abx break to really get at the yeast, especially if it is systemic (in the blood). I had to do that. It took at least 3 months od diligence with diet, antifungals and probiotics. I did relapse with Lyme during that time but I was not going to get well without addressing the Candida.

Now, I am addressing both at the same time.

Posted by mlkeen (Member # 1260) on :

Jellybelly-

I too had more yeast problems before abx. I didn't have a clue about systemic yeast. The needed diet changes and LOTS of probiotics a few days before starting abx made a big difference.

If you don't have the abx in hand to take today then by all means change your diet and start getting rid of the yeast today.

Limiting carbs is important, but so is changing the ph of your body. Lots of green vegtables will do this naturally, so will a little lemon juice in your water. I would and do avoid fruit when I feel yeasty.

My son eats more sugar than he should so takes more probiotics than I do. He is a good veggie eater though.

Mel

Posted by Asya (Member # 7356) on :

What if you were to add a Probiotic?
These are capsules that give back to your body the "good" bacteria, therefore eliminating the imbalance that causes yeast. The abx knocks out the good bacteria letting the bad grow rampid, hence a yeast infection. Check with an alternative doc about probiotics, they should be able to get you some. I have been on antibiotics daily for several years. I have never had a yeast problem at all.

Posted by Asya (Member # 7356) on :

Eat yogurt--it alsoprovides the good bacteria--aka acedolphelous.

Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on :

You could also dump additional acidophilus into plain yogurt, couldn't hurt!

After a lot of systemic yeast infections, what was suggested was changing the body's PH. Thereby, making the fungus' habitate inhabitable. (I had already tried everything else that had worked in the past. So what could a little yogurt hurt?)

If it were me (and has been and could be again), I'd try and get the yeast under control before starting the ABX. It just makes it easier to manage while on them.

edited to add: I had already tried various antifungals and the yogurt was what worked. I have been able to reduce my acidophilus to around 3-4 a day. This is an all time low for me!

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

trueblue....what kind of yogurt are you using? i always have trouble with yogurt because it has natural milk sugar in it. [I guess that's the problem.]

I buy blue bunny's low carb yogurt. I still have to go easy on it or I run into trouble.

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Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on :

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Originally posted by Lymetoo:
trueblue....what kind of yogurt are you using? i always have trouble with yogurt because it has natural milk sugar in it. [I guess that's the problem.]
I buy blue bunny's low carb yogurt. I still have to go easy on it or I run into trouble.

Plain old, plain Publix brand, lately. I also can't eat much of it, a couple of spoonfuls, a few times a day. That's why I was dumping more acidophilus into it.

It makes me sick at less than a half container level. The doctor wanted me to eat 3 or 4 a day but got sick on the first one.

Hmmm...I'll look for the Blue Bunny, they should have that here.