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Posted by crazychris (Member # 7384) on :

My subject line just about sums it up. I would like to know how to go about killing those suckers, get them out of my body without using abx. Is it possible? Where can I get this info if so! Reading about the reactions to abx is terrifying, so much so that I am truly having second thoughts on dealing with this issue. Can someone please point me in another direction?
Thanks!

Posted by Krispy (Member # 5088) on :

Dr.Zhang in Manhattan has his own herbal protocol for lyme disease. He also treats Hep C with herbs. If you type in his name you should be able to get his web site. I took his herbs for a while along with abx but like a dope I stopped both whrn i started feeling better. Now I'm going to start taking stuff again. He seems to be a very kind man. People complain about his prices but his herbs are very concentrated and I don't think you could find anything comprable for less.

Posted by vandeb (Member # 6345) on :

Hi Chris. Just a thought. Everybody is different so you might want to try an abx to start with and see how your body handles it.

I've been on several different ones in the past 2 years and I've tolerated them great. It has saved me from going to a pic line. I'm also getting better slowly but surely.

Hope and pray you find what works for you soon.

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Debbie V.

Posted by hatsnscarfs (Member # 6562) on :

Lyme symptoms are much worse than antibiotics side effects!

Before Lyme I avoided all drugs and took the natural route. The few times I took antibiotics I had a bad reaction. I now know this is because I had Lyme and I didn't know it. The reaction was in fact a herx.

I've been on antibiotics for 10 months now with minimal side effects. I take probiotics and various supplements & am on a strict anti yeast diet. I am very carful to always drink lots of water and with the drugs that allow it, have a full meal first.

I never would have believed I could do so well on antibiotics. I was so sick when I started them I don't think there was any chance I could have survived without strong antibiotics.

Of course I hope to reach the point where I don't need them anymore and can rely on natural treatments and perhaps rife.

Lyme is too serious to not attack it with the strongest things we've got.

Don't delay, it only gets worse.

hatsnscarfs

Posted by lla2 (Member # 2364) on :

i'm a nurse ...you really can't.

there are alternatives you can use ALONG with abx, but you need strong abx to actually kill the spirochetes...no way around it.

the longer you wait, the worse you'll get.

Lisa

Posted by sapphire (Member # 4599) on :

teasel root is an herb that is used in treatment of lyme disease

artmesia fights babesiosis

Posted by sapphire (Member # 4599) on :

teasel root is an herb that is used in treatment of lyme disease

artmesia fights babesiosis
teasel root will still cause you to herx thoughdont be afraid of the die off reaction, it means that lyme is being killed off

Posted by lla2 (Member # 2364) on :

I stand corrected. there are some herbs that will kill off some spirochetes, but to eliminate all of them, or to get rid of lyme, etc..you need strong, long term abx..period.

trust us old timers who have tried every thing, including every herb, every treatment , every supplement , every alternative medicine alone etc...

you will continue to deteriate until you 're body will not be able to come back from it...PLEASE trust what I am saying ....I am a firm believer in homeopathic medicine and take it and acupunture along side by abx...alone I got worse ad worse until my neurological systmps nearly killed me,a dn probably would have very soon...

you need abx also, then supplement with herbs and tinctures and alternative therapies to strenthen your immune system to go along with abx.

I am now at 95% from doing this after 2 1/2 years..if I hadn't I'd be dead. on straight herbs and tinctures I hwas having seizures and in a wheelchair etc...

Lisa

Posted by Nutmeg (Member # 7250) on :

Hi CrazyChris,

I'm of the same mind as you...so maybe we're both crazy! Seems like there must be a way to do this without bad herxes and while maintaining functionality, but that seems to not apply to most people here. Feeling fairly well while being chronically is is definitely in the minority with lyme.

Here are a couple of recent threads that you may find helpful:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/034069.html
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/034229.html

I've stumbled across other boards where more holistic and alternative treatments are discussed. They are out there.

I just saw my new LLMD for the first time last week. He's doing a bunch of testing to see where I'm at overall healthwise, and we will go from there.

I have been working on my health holistically for about 8 years, with other practitioners and on my own, self-treating and with major lifestyle overhaul, but have had chronic lyme for much longer. Just recently dx'ed. I started taking freeze-dried garlic a week ago, and just started TOA-free cat's claw (Allergy Research Group liquid) today. Still looking into other herbals and supplements and other measures, and will add more as I go along.

Wishing you the best,
Nutmeg