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Posted by Tj33 (Member # 7214) on :

Check this out....
http://www.promedmail.org/pls/askus/f?p=2400:1001:81195321208859366::NO::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,20876

Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck!

There are 300 strains of Lyme, so why couldn't this be one of them?? The tests do not test for all 300 strains.

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Do not take anything I say as medical advice. I am not a doctor, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express!
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Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :

results came back from the CDC. Experimental DNA
analysis was used to search the gut contents of the tick, but nothing
conclusive could be found, according to the report. The tick was
identified as a Rocky Mountain wood tick [_Dermacentor andersoni_ -
Mod.LL], a species common to Montana and one that does not carry Lyme
disease. The affliction could not be identified, the report concluded.

Yeah right just like the dog tick dosent carry rocky mountain spotted fever.They changed there mind again ha

Study: Common Dog Tick Carries Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
http://www.nbc11.com/health/4835297/detail.html

Posted by BostonLyme2005 on :

Does Igenex test for all 300? How accurate is there WB?

Thanks,

quote:
Originally posted by Lymetoo:
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck!
There are 300 strains of Lyme, so why couldn't this be one of them?? The tests do not test for all 300 strains.

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Rob

Posted by agszafran979 (Member # 7069) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lymetoo:
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck!
There are 300 strains of Lyme, so why couldn't this be one of them?? The tests do not test for all 300 strains.

Or it might be a not-yet-discovered disease. They said that one of the people treated had no more problems after getting antibiotics, so this sounds bacterial. This might be the beginning of an explanation for why people have Lyme-like symptoms, test negative, yet respond to antibiotic treatment.

Chronic bacterial infections aren't that unusual - witness Lyme, syphilis, gonorrhea, TB, yaws, leprosy, h. pylori, and a whole host of other diseases. If one more pathogen that can go chronic is discovered, that would not be shocking to me.

-DS

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Posted by Biting Back (Member # 6018) on :

". . . . Although the microorganism that causes Lyme disease -- Borrelia burgdorferi -- was named after a Montana scientist, Willy Burgdorfer, Montana is the only state in the nation where a case of the disease has not been confirmed. The species of tick [Ixodes scapularis - Mod.LL] that carries Lyme disease also has never been found in Montana. . . . "

Yeah, right. Montana has guards patrolling the entire paramater of the state to keep the ticks out.

As a child, I was bitten by ticks while on vacation in Montana. I had constant and violent vomiting for 3 days afterward. Wasn't long after we returned home that I began having hallucinations and 'growing pains' in my right arm. I literally could not lift my arm.

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Posted by lou (Member # 81) on :

I find it beyond strange that in this era of sophisticated genetics, they were unable to identify the pathogen.

Makes me think that this is just another instance of suppression of information that shows "lyme" could be caused by more than one species of borrelia (like in Europe and elsewhere).

Posted by bg (Member # 46416) on :

TJ,

could you edit your post with the LONG web site and break it up so we your post does NOT go super wide where we chronic lymies can not read anyone's comments?

thanks for helping us lymies read these things!

bettyg

Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

quote:
Originally posted by BostonLyme2005:
Does Igenex test for all 300? How accurate is there WB?
Thanks,

NO one does. Their test is one of the most accurate for Lyme and TBD's.

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Do not take anything I say as medical advice. I am not a doctor, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express!
oops!
Lymetutu

Posted by caat (Member # 2321) on :

I think I have this. Got very sick after being bitten by those same ticks in Wyoming. The Wyoming health dept is working on it too. Anyone who got bit by those ticks in Wyoming or Montana and got lyme can call or email the Montana health dept and be put on a list to possibly be tested when and if they ever find the organism.

It's probley a borrelia species but not bb. I get the impression they think that too but can't say that as they haven't identified it.

Another reason lyme should be called borreliosis. Relapsing fever is also a borrelia bacteria. As is STARI, which also is not a bb species. These are different species- not strains. Each species probley has many different strains.

I found a small reference through google to people with it testing equivical on a WB for lyme. Can't find that reference anymore. It was on a private forum. So- it seems it cross reacts a bit with lyme tests.

Posted by AlisonP (Member # 7771) on :

I have sort of a weird question.

WHY do people in all the articles I read in the mainstream seem to think that Lyme is specific to only one kind of tick?

Logically, that doesn't make any kind of sense. Ticks aren't that different from one another...do they cross breed? Isn't there a biological possibility that ticks can spread this disease through their different breeds?

And, if it is only through one tick, then that begs the question how only one particular kind of tick had it and others don't. Does anyone else think this is weird?

As for this article, I wonder if the testing/diagnosis is so bad for Lyme that they think it's a whole new disease.

Posted by Tj33 (Member # 7214) on :

Opps forgot about the long addresses...

What is amazing to me is how desperate the so called CDC is to cover up Lyme disease???? Do they know something they are not telling????