Who has heart issues with this lyme thing? I have babs, bart, ehrlicia and lyme. I have had some tachicardia issue in the distant past. all ecg and echos were normal. But now am on IV rocepnine with the salt C thing. From the moment they put in the line started to get big heart jumps, the kind that shake your whole body. They pulled out the line a bit and it helped. Until last night they started and did not stop for an hour. They got it on the ecg this time. Atrial flutter. No MI signs or any heart failer was seen. Echo done today and it look pretty much like the echo from 2 years ago. No vegi matter on any of the valves. The nest testing is to look at heart conductivity. What advice do any of you have who have had abnormal ECGs. Thanks to all John
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
When I hear "heart", I hear wisdom teeth and heavy metals. So does my doctor. Doesn't matter if wisdom teeth still there or not. Doesn't matter if amalgams still there or not. I posted Dr. H's article on Wisdom teeth and several others relating to the mercury toxicity in the heart. That's where the bacteria, viruses, protozoa/parasites settle. You might want to search for it.
[ 15. February 2006, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: GiGi ]
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
John, Heart palps or flutters like one gets with mitral valve regurgitation is a common symptom of lyme...
Iv'e had them worse and now better....
Just make sure it's nothing else.....zman
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Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
I had PVC's real bad,lower heart chamber. IV ABX cleared up totally. Re-treating for babs . Herx's stir them up a bit.
Posted by imanurse (Member # 7022) on :
Cardiol Rev. 2004 Jul-Aug;12(4):185-7.
Lyme carditis: restitutio ad integrum documented by cardiac magnetic resonance imaging.
Karadag B, Spieker LE, Schwitter J, Ruschitzka F, Luscher TF, Noll G, Corti R.
Department of Cardiology, University Hospital, Zurich, Switzerland.
Lyme disease is a tickborne illness that could cause, weeks to months later, complications involving the joints, central nervous system, and cardiovascular system. We report a case of cardiac manifestation with transitory higher degree atrioventricular block and dysfunction of the left ventricle. Complete resolution without signs of myocardial scar is demonstrated by cardiac magnetic resonance imaging. Copyright 2004 Lippincott Williams and Wilkins PMID: 15191634
~~~~~~~~ Acta Cardiol. 2003 Jun;58(3):211-4. Related Articles, Links
Cardiac conduction disturbances in Lyme disease.
Swinnen J, Moerenhout C, Cools FJ. Faculty of Medicine, UZ Gasthuisberg Leuven, Belgium.
A young patient is described presenting with third-degree atrioventricular block, who had a flu-like syndrome a few weeks before admission. The diagnosis of Lyme disease was suspected by serologic antibody detection and confirmed by Western immunoblot assay. Pacing was necessary because an unstable escape rhythm persisted. After treatment, atrioventricular conduction recovered. Lyme disease, a tick borne disease, is discussed with emphasis on cardiac involvement: atrioventricular block is a frequent complication of early disseminated disease. If treated with adequate antibiotic therapy, the prognosis is good. PMID: 12846512 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J Neurol. 1993 May;240(5):278-83. Borrelia burgdorferi myositis: report of eight patients.
Reimers CD, de Koning J, Neubert U, Preac-Mursic V, Koster JG, Muller-Felber W, Pongratz DE, Duray PH.
Friedrich-Baur-Institute, Clinic for Internal Medicine Innenstadt, Munich, Germany.
Myositis is a rare manifestation of Lyme disease of unknown pathogenesis. This study describes the course of disease in eight patients with Lyme disease, aged 37-70 years, all of whom were suffering from histologically proven myositis. The clinical, electrophysiological, and myopathological findings are reported. One patient showed signs and symptoms of myositis of all limbs. In six patients myositis was localized in the vicinity of skin lesions, arthritis or neuropathy caused by Borrelia burgdorferi. In another patient suffering from pronounced muscle weakness of the legs and cardiac arrest, inflammation of the myocardium, the conducting system and skeletal muscles was revealed at autopsy. Muscle biopsy revealed lymphoplasmocellular infiltrates combined with few fibre degenerations in three patients. The lymphoplasmocellular infiltrates were found predominantly in the vicinity of small vessels. Several spirochetes were stained in six of seven muscle biopsy samples by means of the immunogold-silver technique. Culturing of B. Burgdorferi from the muscle biopsy samples was, however, unsuccessful. Antibiotic treatment succeeded in curing the myositis in four of six patients. In one patients signs and symptoms improved. One patient died from cardiac arrest caused by myocarditis and Guillain-Barre syndrome. The outcome is unknown in one patient. Clinical and myopathological findings indicate that Lyme myositis can be caused either by local spreading of B. burgdorferi or an unknown antigen or toxin from adjacent tissues or haematogenously. PMID: 8326331
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[Lyme carditis and symptomatic sinus node dysfunction]
Franck H, Wollschlager H.
I. Medizinische Klinik, Klinikum St. Marien, Mariahilfbergweg 5-7, 92224 Amberg, Germany.
Lyme carditis is typically associated with AV nodal conduction abnormalities. We describe the case of a 66 year old female patient, who experienced a series of syncopal attacks after several tick bites two weeks earlier. ECG monitoring revealed recurrent sinus arrest with a maximum pause duration of 8 seconds. After institution of antibiotic therapy for Lyme carditis, sinus node dysfunction resolved rapidly and the patient had no further syncopes. Pacemaker implantation was not necessary. We therefore have to assume that in this patient Lyme carditis was the cause of symptomatic sinus node dysfunction. PMID: 14663614
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Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
John, I'm breaking up your long continuous paragraph to 6-8 lines of text & DOUBLE spacing for us neuro lyme folks who can't read/comprehend as is. Please use space bar more often ok..thanks!
quote:Originally posted by johnlyme1: Hi All of you wonderful people,
Who has heart issues with this lyme thing? I have babs, bart, ehrlicia and lyme.
I have had some tachicardia issue in the distant past. all ecg and echos were normal.
But now am on IV rocepnine with the salt C thing. From the moment they put in the line started to get big heart jumps, the kind that shake your whole body. They pulled out the line a bit and it helped. Until last night they started and did not stop for an hour. They got it on the ecg this time.
Atrial flutter. No MI signs or any heart failer was seen.
Echo done today and it look pretty much like the echo from 2 years ago. No vegi matter on any of the valves.
The next testing is to look at heart conductivity. What advice do any of you have who have had abnormal ECGs. Thanks to all. John
Glad you are getting many responses hear John.
Posted by flyers999 (Member # 1397) on :
Lyme is known to favor three areas: joint, heart and brain. What you are experiencing is a herx.
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
I am afraid I have to disagree with you Jack...
The cardiac problems may increase with abx treatment inclusive of a herx however ...cardiac involvement is indicated due to infection of the borelia itself.
zman
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: John, Heart palps or flutters like one gets with mitral valve regurgitation is a common symptom of lyme...
YUP. I have that myself. And constant tachycardia thrown in for good measure!
I agree, get the heart testing done so you'll know exactly where you stand.
Posted by johnlyme1 (Member # 7343) on :
Thanks for all of the input. They put in a new PICC Line that is about 4 CM shorter than the last. If this flairs up again they will do further testing.
Posted by Lymied (Member # 6704) on :
Lyme also likes the Vagus Nerve which I believe controls heart nerve conduction...right????
This is where I am getting so confused...I have had chest pain, tachardyia, thumping....have had two ekgs, halter monitors and stress tests...everything looks beautiful.
So, it seems that lyme can attack the vagus nerve which wouldn't show up with testing...and then it can also attack the valves...
I really would like to have a clearer picture about cardiac involvement too.