I have been trying to figure out what machine to get.
I bought bryan's book and signed up at the yahoo site but because my brain is so fogged I can't navigate.
I have been e-mailing people and doing rife searchs here. This is what I found people using:
*"Pulser Electromatic field devices"( Pulser balls good at killing)
* KTM23-Not so much killing device as immune system helper?
*Dan Tracy model EMEM5A
*GB-4000 contact devices
*doug coil plasma balls
*MPMP2
Anyone out there using rife and would be willing to share what machine they are using?
Eternally grateful
Posted by jbgoth (Member # 5567) on :
Dana,
I have had wonderful results with the GB-4000. I havent tried any other machine. I am interested in the KMT-23 though.
Blessings,
Jordan
Posted by karatelady (Member # 7854) on :
My husband just finished building me the EMEM7. I just finished using it for EBV for the first time a few minutes ago.
I've only used it for lyme once and need to build up my time.
I'll let you know in a few weeks how its going. So far, my herxing has been really bad headaches which is what lyme does to me -- plus muscle pain.
Sandy
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Thanks jbogoth for replying.
Does the GB-4000 come with an amp? I Have also heard good things about the KMT23. Was really close to getting this but not sure it has enough killing action ?
Karatelady Thanks for your reply too:
Does the EMEM7 have a plasma bulb?
Please be patient with me as it is like trying to teach an alzthimers patient how to drive Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
I use the KMT and have for years. I do not want to expose myself to anything else but microcurrent, a biological current. A lot is not known about other exposures, long term or short term, besides being hooked up to house current. KMT is run by battery.
Using the Microcurrent with the the most updated frequencies is a wonderful combination and helps to prevent healing crises.
Notes from an earlier Klinghardt lecture: (referrng to an earlier model from a few years ago.) The new one has 6 channels and has been expanded greatly.
"Here is my attempt at the KMT 22 (Klinghardt Matrix Therapy) which is the new name for the latest edition of what used to be the S 21:
Channel #1 is still Lyme and Bartonella; #2 is Babesia; but Channels #3 and #4 are 7-8 hour programs to be used over night, which cover the fungi, molds, the important viruses, mycoplasma, etc.
IMMUNE COMPETENCE:
By using the instrument regularly (and doing some clinical research), several things were observed:
Most people who use the KMT regularly become positive in the lab (IgenX) for antibodies against Lyme. This means, the KMT wakes up the immune system and it starts to recognize the bugs intelligently and competently.
LYMPH DRAINAGE:
The KMT relieves the oro-facial symptoms much faster than other instruments: A large subgroup of Lyme patients observes very rapid tooth decay, starting at the first molars and proceeding from there to other teeth. I observed this by simply reading the dental film of hundreds, maybe thousands of confirmed Lyme patients. Everyone can make the diagnosis of Lyme: all first molars have root canals or are extracted in an otherwise fairly healthy looking mouth. The lower wisdom tooth cavitations grow over time visibly on x-ray - instead of shrinking.
Patients have blocked facial/neck lymphatic vessels, with a variety of other maxilla-facial pain syndromes. These patients always suffer from changing eye symptoms, brain fog, and strange neurological symptoms which are by the patient perceived to be ``in the brain''. Chronic sinusitis is present in virtually everyone.
I am the only researcher who has recognized that the primary site of neurotoxic injury are the autonomic ganglia of the face, primarily the Sphenopalatine ganglion, Otic ganglion, the Vagal ganglia and the Superior Cervical ganglion.
Since the elctrodes of the KMT are directly applied to these structures, we observe a much faster relief of the client's primary symptoms. The KMT treatment increases the normal electric output of these ganglia, leading to increased lymphatic drainage, increased nutrient uptake from the cells, increased local blood flow, increased vigilance of the immune cells, decomposition of toxic proteins, and more.
DRUG UPTAKE ENHANCEMENT TECHNIQUE (DUET):
One of the main problems in the treatment of Lyme is the strange phenomenon that the blood brain barrier is open and penetrable to neurotoxins, viruses and many bacteria; it is paradoxically closed to many nutrients and the very medications we hope to help the client with.
The KMT 22 reverses this mechanism: the blood brain barrier permits the entry of antibiotics and antibiotically acting herbs and other compounds into the brain and alerts the astrocytes to the presence of these microbes in the blood, leading to selective and appropriate closure of the blood brain barrier whenever pathogenic microbes stream through the brain. This effect is only achieved by selectively treating the facial autonomic ganglia, especially the Sphenopalatine ganglion.
The Trojan Horse phenomenon: The most significant compromise of the immune system occurs through the stealthy invasion of the B-lymphocytes by Borrelia Burgdorferi. The microbes use a yet not understood shuttle mechanism (similar to the Greeks putting their warriors into a wooden horse that then was blindly, voluntarily and naively brought within the confines of the fortified city of Troja). Again, the KMT 22 alerts the immune system appropriately, so that the cells of the system, including the B-cells, recognize the invaders early on and destroy them rather than being destroyed by them. This general effect is shared with other frequency devices that use the appropriate frequencies.
SELECTIVE INCREASE IN BLOOD FLOW:
The carrier frequencies of the KMT 22 are structured in a way that they cause increased dilation of the oxygen and nutrient carrying arterioles. By treating the Sympathetic ganglia of the anterior neck and the Sphenopalatine ganglion, we can selectively increase the blood flow into the brain, the sinuses, the external autonomic ganglia and the eyes/ears and sinus region.
ATP:
The carrier frequencies are selected based on many years of research and have been shown to create elevated intracellular levels of ATP, the gasoline of the cells. With increased ATP production there is increased cellular detoxification, increased immune competence and increased systemic vitality.
We assume that there are many other mechanisms and modulations of the system at work. Some are shared with other frequency devices, others are unique to the KMT. As an overall strategy, I prefer both the simultaneous use of a powerful frequency device, such as the KMT technology, in addition to antibiotics or antibiotic herbs and, of course, treatment of the underlying blocking factors: poor dental work, geopathic stress, food allergies, heavy metal toxicity, psychological factors (especially post-traumatic stress syndrome), poor occlusion and other structural cranio-mandibular problems."
Hope this helps. I don't own the new KMT yet, but will soon. Though I no longer suffer with Lyme Diseas and haven't for quite a few years, I use the KMT for other positive effects and want to be certain I have one around - one that can travel wherever I go.
Take care.
Posted by karatelady (Member # 7854) on :
ok, I have lyme brain -- I'm trying to put a picture of the machine on here -- anyone know how to do this?
Sandy
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I have the GB4000 and the KMT23. Presently, I use the KMT23 daily and rarely use the GB4000. It's just too difficult to figure out all the infections you might have and try to address those one by one. That is why I like the KMT23. It is specifically targetted at all the Lyme and related infections from Dr. K's clinical practice.
I think there is a place for both, but I would, at present, rather give up my GB4000 than my KMT23....
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Thanks GiGi for responing to my post.
The information was easy for me to read. At this point in time I am just trying to get as much information as I can on rife & what works for different people.
I want to use it with herbs & hopefully someday phase out the abx.
Scott Thank you for responding to my post. But do you like the GB4000 Helped you get to 80% ? But this probaly is a hard one to know,considering the other alternative supports and the abx.
As always, you are there and handing out the information. I appreciate it.
Thanks for being so patient.
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
Hi,
EMEM3D from rifelabs.com
Thanks to God, my rife machine and the plans in Bryan's book, I have made it back to work full time and am getting ready to coach my sons baseball team again. I'm not affiliated with rife labs or Bryan but I owe them both my life.
I say this after 9 months of continuous use. It has been a very hard road but I'm glad I took the chance.
All My Best, Scott
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Thanks secondtimearound
Wow ! You are the forth person to tell me the EMEM has helped you. Only the other's had the EMEM5 and you have the 3D
Do you know how the EMEM3D differs from the EMEM5?
I have Bryan's book but am too lymed out to be able to read & process it.
Glad to hear it has helped you Take care
Posted by bobdavis (Member # 510) on :
I am a fan of "pulsed electromagnetic fields" or the "Doug Coil". I use both devices, as well as an ozone machine that is similar to the EMEM devices.
As far as the ozone machine, I discovered that when I put my hand on the argon tube it smelled like ozone. Eventually I replaced the tube with a sheet of glass.
PEMF / Doug Coil devices have been proven in the lab by NASA and others. I have some links at my web site. Magnetic fields kill and inhibit many parasites/bacteria/virus, as well as promote healing.
I consider magnetic devices to be much safer. They produce the internal voltages by induction, not by directly passing the voltage through you.
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Hi bobdavis
Thankyou so much for posting your reply.
Are you saying the doug coil and the EMEM are magnetic devices that pass voltage by induction? Not sure what this means. Does this just mean "Non contact devises"
Does this mean the above said are magnetic devises?
Thankyou for being so patient with my slow witted lyme brain.
Could you post your webb site so I could go to the link you talked about.
Thanks dana
Posted by tequeslady (Member # 6832) on :
I have the KMT22. There is a new one out, the KMT23.
I have used it almost every night in the last 2 months. I think it has helped me a lot.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I do not think the GB4000 is what helped me to recover in large part. It was primarily ABX, detox, etc. It likely helped, but it is not one of my top items.
That said, I do think Rife is useful. I think Bryan's book is fantastic. However, it is clear that Rife and ABX don't mix well and I am still on ABX so I suspect I get less benefit that I otherwise would.
Right now, I am focused on the KMT23.
Posted by my2haveit (Member # 7712) on :
Our great results have come from using only the GB4000 with amp. Pat hasn't been able to use any supporting therapies.
It is designed to actually kill pathogens with its high frequency range.
We believe it is the easiest to use of the available "killing" machines.
Scott is right about having to program in the specific programs for your purpose (like the lyme program # 466 which includes a list of frequencies for just lyme. A separate program # has frequencies for just mycoplasma, another # has frequencies for lymph drainage, etc.) Each program # needs to be entered into the machine before running it to send you the frequencies.
If you had enough energy, you could develop your own program # to put into the machine with a list of all the frequencies you may want to use at one time on the GB4000.
Pat also started out with brain fog and extreme fatigue (mental and emotional, too).
The treatments had to be done very gradually until there was more mental clarity and energy.
The idea of the KMT's value of helping the immune system instead of killing pathogens could be a valid approach.
Some of the researchers successfully using EMEMs for treating various health problems have said they suspect the EMEMs (which use lower frequencies than the GB4000) aren't killing bugs, but are improving the immune system to deal with the bugs.
Best of luck with your choice, Sue G.
Posted by my2haveit (Member # 7712) on :
Sandy, to post your picture, this is what I would try:
Use your cursor to select your picture from your file or website. Go to edit, select copy.
Get ready to post your reply on Lymenet. Put your cursor in the reply window. Go to edit, paste.
Hope your machine shows up.
Posted by BJG (Member # 4723) on :
Hi,
Have any of you heard about or used BioSolutions Rife mamchine. It is difficult to tell online, but it appears to work like the GB 4000. Pre programmed for Lyme.
I spoke with a guy who swears by the Biosolution Rife machine. He mentioned how many Lyme sufferes he knows that regained their health, as he has.
He said it should take about 4 months rifing 3 times per week.
I have the 2 bulb EM from Rifelabs.It also has a wand.
I do not know it has helped yet, but it certainly causes herxes. I have a herx after every treatment.
Doesn't the herx suggest that it is killing something off and the die off is making me sick/herx?
I think I am confused about the idea that the EM only builds up our immune systems. If that is true why do we herx?
Is there anything "FORSURE" in the crazy Bb world? LOL
Thank you for listening. Any info I would appreciate.
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Thanks Scott. I agree,it is hard to tell I also think it's not alway one thing,but a combination of treatments.
Although I have gotten to a point... that my body can't handle the abx for much longer. No way am I in a hurry here to stop all bax at once. But want to phase in other therapy's.
Thanks also My2haveit
I am looking for a killing machine . I have to have killing action,like abx or I soon slip into relaspe. But I don't want to "kill" myself at the same time.
I am impressed with the KMT22-23 for immune support and other attributes as well. I believe from what giGi wrote it does some killing in a more gentle way and allows the immune system to grow strong.
Would anyone else ne willing to share your experiences?
Take care and thanks! Posted by my2haveit (Member # 7712) on :
The EMEM researchers suspecting it helps the immune system are expressing opinions. I haven't read any supporting "facts".
BJG, you're so right about the "forsure" aspect.
It seems that if people get better using the GB4000, EMEMs, KMTs, etc., how it happens has to be of lesser priority for now.
Maybe in the future, there will be more open research and data-sharing for making better use of the scientific aspect of frequency use in healthcare.
Posted by bugabooboo (Member # 7383) on :
I've been using one of Dan Tracy's EMEM5 machines for 4 months. I have had more die off than I ever had with ATB's judging by the herxing and detoxing I've had to do.
It seems as though there are definite phases for me 1) rife 2) feel better for a couple of days 3) herx 4) detox 5) feel better. There seem to be an increase of symptoms on the 4th, 8th and 12th day post rife. I rife every 2 weeks for Lyme, Babs, Bart. Every 4-6 days for candidiasis.
I have to strive to keep my body alkaline during the 2nd week post rife as I tend to get extremely acidic.
These months have been difficult. The EMEM5 is working.
Bug
Posted by karatelady (Member # 7854) on :
my2haveit,
Yup, already tried that. It doesn't show up. Oh well, thanks.
Bug -- how long do you Rife for your lyme session?
Sandy
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
Hi All,
There is no doubt in my mind that my EMEM machine is killing lyme.
My pattern is also: rife feel good for a couple days and by the fourth day I am herxing. Not as severe as in the beginning but still noticeable. Then it takes almost three weeks now for my symptoms to become noticeable again.
However, if it is also helping my immune system, I'll take all the help I can get!
All My Best, Scott
Posted by marks (Member # 6965) on :
I have used the KMT-23 for 2 months. I am one of those VERY sensitive lymies so I had to start slowly
I didn't know that until after the 1st four days of using it and I got much worse. I don't know if it was a herx or what but I slowly built up to running 4 of the 6 programs now.
There are still 2 programs (GI support and Mold and Fungi) that I can't run w/o feeling worse the next few days.
All in all I believe the KMT23 is helping me but I still have a long way to go.
I also still take abx and if I remember correctly Dr. K says the KMT causes the abx to work better so the discomfort I am feeling could be a herx from the abx.
On Dr. K's video he also said you would feel worse for about 3 months and then improve rapidly.
Posted by lingolady (Member # 8042) on :
Have been on abx since August, '05. No major improvement yet, but I was diagnosed MS about 7 years ago and just tested + thru Igenex in August. Would love to try rife but I need something that is easy to get and to use. I can't make a machine myself.
How do you get these machines?
Posted by lingolady (Member # 8042) on :
Have been on abx since August, '05. No major improvement yet, but I was diagnosed MS about 7 years ago and just tested + thru Igenex in August. Would love to try rife but I need something that is easy to get and to use. I can't make a machine myself.
How do you get these machines?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I have the EMEM5A. Have been using it since Sept '05. Have taken no abx since then except for 2 wks about a month ago. Had a sinus infection and asthma.
It was only $440... a big draw for me since I was not able to spend $1000+ at the time I purchased it.
Easy to use! Has the plasma bulb.
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Thanks Scott for your reply!
From what information I have gather so far quite alot of people are using the EMEM machine. Glad it is helping you
Hey Lingolady
I am so sorry to hear about your no major improvements.Try not to get disheartened, as I have heard it is common to be in treatment many years even before any major progress. I hope you are seeing some minor ones
Hi Lymetoo
Thanks for posting. Glad to hear it is easy to use. I am not that knowledgable on the plasma bulbs yet,but it does seem to help some people. Glad to hear you are doing well.
Take care
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Thankyou for all your reply's.
Has any one heard of the Beam Ray light & sound machine?
Thanks
Posted by mtnwoman (Member # 8385) on :
Gigi, thanks for the info on the KMT -- a light bulb came on for me...I have lots of teeth, ear, brain stuff. Had a tooth pulled cuz I thought it was infected --- the pain remained and spread backward to the tooth next to it.
How much does a KMT cost? where to obtain? what are drawbacks?
Posted by kimoo1 (Member # 7107) on :
We also have a EMEM5, my husband and I have been using ours since Nov. 2004 It has helped us. We only took abx's for 2 1/2 months when we switched,although we have had lyme for years, I am up to 4 min. for lyme 3 min. for clamydia pneumonia and 2 min. for babesia. I have found that I get different reactions for the different bugs like for the lyme I get the reaction 2 to 3 days later and the clamydia 4 to 5 days later. I was doing them every other week but now I do them altogether and only feel bad for the 2 and 3rd day and the 5th and the 6th day and I feel pretty good the rest of the time just fatigue is my big problem BUT I no longer have to take naps. And that is so COOL, before I was sleeping 16 hours out of the day.Rife has worked for us for sure. Kim
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Dana, I've had my Beam Ray about 3 yrs now and I rarely see anyone post that they have one. Even on the rife/lyme support group, it's rare to see the Beam Ray listed. I guess it's because of the cost. $$$$
Pam
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Mtnwoman, for info call Nancy at 541-488-6770. I am the wrong person to ask for drawbacks. The KMT has none. I have had use of every machine, including the Beam Ray, that has been made, except you could give me the Doug Coil, I would not touch it. To me the longterm safety of my body is more important rather than aiming at killing bugs who don't stay away even then. The cysts are coming back as soon as the coast is clear. They are much more intelligent than we give them credit for.
The microcurrent works great for dental detox. It has every conceivable updated Genome Project frequency in it plus all the microbial infections that have ever been found. Every problem that affects the chronically ill is covered in the KMT, without your having to search for "which bug should I treat next". They are programmed in, in a manner that is physiologically right. If you do not know that parasites hold viruses, why go after a virus first and then go after the parasites. That is all automatic and you do not need to concern yourself with numbers of frequencies, etc. You push a button and on you go.
Please ask Nancy - she can enlighten you a bit more.
I will never ever be without this little handy device - for many purposes, but at this point mainly for prevention. I also use it for facials!!
Microbial Inhibitory Frequencies, built in, are wonderful -- it slowly but surely stops the microbes from replicating, i.e. making babies. It entrains our immune system to become active again and to start doing all that it is meant to do.
"Microcurrent stimultes the production of ATP which is stored cellular energy that allows a cell to function. This in turn triggers the body's natural bio-chemical healing process. This process allows intracellular fluids to be restored, electrolyte levels to be replenished, and the absorption of nutrients.
The stimulation of intracellular calcium further strengthens cellular balance and healing. Amino acid uptake is increased, as well as protein synthesis, which assists in tissue repair. Blood circulation and lymphatic flow are increased."
Take care.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Map, I just saw your note on the Beam Ray. We tried the Beam Ray - now a long time ago - in a clinic setting, and little people waiting for their parent to get treated got sick by just standing in the doorway. They had to be carried away! I tried it once myself and it is one powerful machine. For that reason one has to be careful with exposures of others, dog, canary, etc., or anyone living in the same building. I am just not comfortable with it in the long run. But if it helps you, that's all that counts. ' Take care.
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Thanks GiGi for posting your information on the KMT and beam ray.
I appreciate having all the information at this point.
So far my poll from this thread and the private pm's have shown that the most popular machine - or the machine most used is the EMEM"s
I am very interested in the KMT22 and the KMT23 as this sounds like a possible safer route,but wish there was more experience with people using it.
Thanks for all your reply's.
Don't know what I would do without you guys.
[ 26. February 2006, 06:28 PM: Message edited by: 5dana8 ]
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by 5dana8: So far my poll from this thread and the private pm's have shown that the most popular machine - or the machine most used is the GMGM"s
EMEM's??
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Thanks for catching that lymtoo
It's supposed to be EMEM I went back & corrected it.
Sorry
Posted by mimi (Member # 6680) on :
Dana, I have a beam ray rife like Map does I have
used it faithfully for a year and 4 months now.
I have a cat that lays with me and I have not
noticed any problems so far. Gigi is very
knowledgeable and it is one of the most
expensive machines. I purcased it before I
found this site. If I had researched before
buying and had all of these wonderful folks
helping I would not have purchased the beam ray.
Not because I don't love it and credit it with
much of my improvements but because it is so
expensive and I will be paying for it for
awhile. That said I believe that it is
wonderful and I highly recommend the use of a
rife. I do believe that there is a right way and
a wrong way to use any rife but especially the
beam ray due to the power of the machine.
If you would like more information about my
experiences please PM me or email me.
mimi
Posted by janet thomas (Member # 7122) on :
BJG-
I purchased a BioSolutionms machine in early Nov 05. Friend of a friend told me.
I was doing great until I got the flu 3 weeks ago-
I think I'll phone the nice fellow (David) who sold it to me & ask him how to treat this flu
Anyway it cost $2195 and seemed to be very effective until I got the flu & Lyme is coming back.
If anyone wants the phone # of the seller please PM me.
Janet
Posted by BJG (Member # 4723) on :
Thanks Janet, So you think your machine is similar to the GB 4000?
Hope you get to feeling better.
Peace, BJG Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Hi Janet! Good to see you back! Hope you feel better VERY soon! Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Sorry lymetoo- lyme brain typo
Yes- it is the EMEM machine so far- used by the most amount of people.
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