I get more private mail on this subject. I guess people have been scared off here by my talking about it in the first place and they do not want to ask questions openly.
Here is a good explanation why a few herbs taken orally won't do.
Take care.
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Gigi....Would you mind my asking others here if they've had any adverse reactions to a colonic?
I was coming online to post this question today and BAM!.. there was your new thread!
I've heard from others through PM's on this....enough for me to be cautious about doing one.
I'm doing very well and certainly don't want to backslide NOW!
Thanks! [I'll delete my reply if you want me to.]
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Lymetoo, why should I mind??
I do care, however, and get upset when people on this board such as Tickd in Texas, Cave, Lou and others tag most of my posts with a negative comment, red flags and warning signals. I then turn around, the next day, I see posts by these very people where they recommend meds, combination of meds, and suggestions my doctor would not make on an open board.
I do not like to be told I am selling snakeoil on this board. That is an insult to me and everything I stand for. I have learned to brush their comments aside hoping that some snakeoil would help some of the complainers to get well.
Ever given any thought to how many layers of ``chalk''the fillers of supplements add to an already compromised colon? Digestion is already compromised with most. A sick colon makes things even worse. Liver? Gallbladder? Kidney? Are they still all healthy and well? More or different drugs is not the best answer.
Certainly I am not advocating anybody do anything without talking to their doctor. If their doctor is not familiar with the whole-body approach, that's a different problem, and the patient depending on the advice of such a doctor has to decide where to go from there - whether they want to continue the same routine. But I find that the people who have found their way to this board after long struggles, are in general smart enough and wise enough to make their own decisions and to think for themselves. The little blip at the bottom of all your posts is meaningless to most people. You yourself have posted comments that I do not agree with at all.
Getting back to colonics, I never had a colonic until I was too sick where nothing else was really having the desired effects. Then I did the dental work, and then I was really, really sick. That's when I was told to do a few colonics. Not 1 or 2. But at least 4 with a few days in between, then with longer breaks, tapering after 2-3 months down to one a month - always while detoxing.
The first colonic was horrible, because I was afraid, did not know how it should feel; most of all I was so tense, with muscles hard as a brick, including a tense colon. Of course, the body is not able to release anything under that condition, and even the therapist has a heck of a time trying to do a good job. If you don't learn to relax, breath, and let it happen, nothing is going to happen. And you have wasted your money and energy.
I have never heard in all the years of a colonic not being anything but beneficial, if done under the right conditions, with a trained, certified colon therapist, with approved (FDA) equipment. Any doctor treating chronically ill will confirm this, I am sure. It is standard practice with Dr. K., especially when people start complaining --- complaining about things many call ``herxing''. Much of it is caused by a toxic colon that makes one feel so sick you want to just lay down and give up.
Good health starts with a healthy colon. Pull up a few pictures of colons, healthy and sick ones, on the internet and take a good look!
Take care.
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Well, Gigi....I don't agree with everything you say either, but I still can learn from you!! No one person has all the answers. I've been greatly helped by doing the colon cleanses and would like to "finish the job" so to speak!
My goal is of course good health and things are definitely going uphill!
BTW, I have GREATLY benefited from "snakeoil"...It has changed my life dramatically!
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I too get many private messages about colonics. Most are people that have read negative posts by others who really seem to be upset that Gigi is very firm in her beliefs on colonics.
Colonics should be done by trained professionals, usually naturopath docs. In my state, you must have a script by your regular doctor to have colonics done.
There is nothing snakeoil-ish about colonics. It's just not a procedure you find on every corner like a gas station.
I understand why you wouldn't want to have one done in an enviroment that doesn't seem clean to you. Like anything else, there are bad docs and bad so called alternative docs.
Lymetoo, I've had at least 10 and I cannot tell one negative experience I had. Like Gigi said the first time, everything is tight because you will be nervous about the unknown. But it wasn't painful. My goodness I've had worse pain from the disease itself.
The first couple times, my colon didn't release much. That's because our colons are so dehydrated, and it's going to take a few times to get it relaxed and you relaxed.
A tough sick dehydrated colon isn't going to be contracting and releasing years of garbage that is attached to the walls of it. I thought because I had about 2 yrs of diarrhea doing abx, there couldn't possibly be anything left in there. Wrong
If someone has a story of a bad colonic treatment...what's new? We've all had a nightmare or two with abx or some other treatment that a doctor ordered for us.
Pam
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Well, I will go out a political limb here. I have had my 4th colonic in the last 3 weeks. Prior to this I was in a very toxic place. I have been in the middle of my IV treatments. 3 weeks ago I also started getting lymph massage work. The theripist was so very concerned with how much sludge was in my lymph system. I knew I had to do somthing to get all this stuff out. The lymph massage is helping.The colonics are helping. There was so much mucus in my colon that it scared me. They were not unpleasant after I got the hang of how to let this stuff go. I am also getting crainial sacreal massage, this is helpling getting my nervious system stimulated and helping get the toxins out of all those nicks and cranies where the bugs like to hide. Circulation is starting to come back to my arms and legs. I can feel my lymph system move again. This has been a lot of work and some pain but worth it from where I felt a month ago. Just my 2 cents worth.
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I just finished my third. The first one was not pleasant and I felt a bit odd, but the next two were really quite easy. I do believe that there is a benefit to doing these and do plan to continue doing at least a few more in April.
I've met GiGi. Her approaches must be working. She is in amazing health. She has been to the darkside and back.....I've been to the darkside and am doing everything I can to get to the "back". Little by little it happens....
BTW, other Lyme doctors besides Dr. K also suggest colonics. I am sitting in VA at the Hope to Heal Lyme conference and just flipping through the binder before sessions start tomorrow and colonics were mentioned there as well. It's not that far out in my opinion.
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The only negative I've heard is that some Lyme patients get "worse"....What I wanted to know is "for how long?" A few days?
I'm with you, map. I've been through ALOT and I don't think a colonic [done properly] is going to scare me off. The only thing that would scare me is if someone got worse and never got better again.
My PCP recommended a specific therapist and my chiro recommended the same person...So I think that's pretty good news.
PS...My PCP had one himself!
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Colonics have helped me very much during my many years of treatments. I used to have a neighbor who was a colonic therapist and I did a total cleanse out over many months, never felt better! It made me feel lighter and move easier, less toxic, so much more mentally alert. When I did Hydrogen peroxide IV's I used to do colonics aftrerwards to flush out toxins, you name it. We wash everything else, and de-worm our pets, we have to de-worm and de-tox our colons too.
You can buy home kits too but the colonics get deeper into the colon. :)Be sure to replace your beneficial flora and careful not to overuse hydrotherapy. I think its a good thing to do, just relax and take your time with it. There is much more than physical cleansing going on. Colonics can be very spiritually refreshing too. Hope the conference is excellent!
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Good evening all: I did write a bit about colonics before,but would like to follow the thread with further thoughts.
Just recently I had a 10 day colonic cleanse...10 days in a row... it seemed like each day the cleanse was going a bit further up the colon.
the colonic therapist(licensed of course)told me to chew all food very well,lots of H20 and many green,leafy vegs and fruits..soft things really.
The procedure was on a table especially for colon hydro-therapy. Have way thru we did a liver cleanse which required a strict food and liquid intake the day before.
I must say I literaly felt much lighter and even my babesia-fog-cluttered brain is better.. I plan on continuing with a once a month treatment.
I will try anything at this point. Without going into the whole story of the assorted med safari,I have also ventured into HiC/HiSalt,14 colliodal silver injections (twice a week) 12 10 15 ECT treatments (also twice a week) and HGH.
i have also kicked out my Gall Bladder at the Mayo Clinic in Scotsdale and anything resembling metal in the old wazoo....
all for now..or should I start with the bounty of meds? (just kidding) Have a nice weekend all.
You are all in my thoughts. Bartonella Blues.
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Well, this is completely amazing to me. What is going on?
I get on this site from time to time.....of course, those of us who have gotten well it seems harder and harder to come back here. Why????
Because, so many people question what those who are veterins know. COLONICS ??? Are you kidding? How could something that detoxes you be anything but benificial????
Please , know that I am only well and alive because I, by the grace of God, started to read Gigi's posts. It was not easy to have my tonsils removed....my root canal teeth pulled....5 bone surgeries.....chelate for mercury.....live through cancer....support my children and husband through treatment...I could go on and on.
I have been to the dark side. I am now running every day. Living a good life....still treating lyme....but my life has moved from this board. Just my two cents. Lymetoo.....you need to see the roses!
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This is too good to go to the archives yet.
"IF you DO what you ALWAYS DID, You will GET what you ALWAYS GOT!" stolen from JimB -
It fits so many sick people. The first thing I had to turn around was my thinking processes. And then I did colonics!
Take care.
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quote:Originally posted by lymesblue: Lymetoo.....you need to see the roses! [/QB]
Who says I'm NOT!? I'm ready to do it and just asked a simple question. I don't go headlong into something without researching all avenues. Give me a break.
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Lymetoo,
For a couple of years I researched and researched a problem, until I turned blue in the face. By then, I had forgotten what I was researching!!
Of course, I never did anything about my problem then; until the problem hit me again that much harder; except by then, it was too late to do anything about it. The damage was done.
I did that more than once during my and my husband's illness. Luckily we came out allright. But, ohhhhhh, could we have saved ourselves some heartaches
Take care.
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Lymetoo, you very well could have a couple days of feeling drained. Not drained like the old bad lymie days. It will be your body telling you, please help me, go easy on me and let me rest a bit.
Or you could be full of energy also. Even if you feel the energy rush, don't give into it. Drink lots of water and keep it flowing (so to speak).
Pam
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Just another update for those interested but hesitant to try colonics. I had my 3rd one yesterday. The colonics are making me feel better than I've felt in a L O N G time! I too was hesitant about them, but I can't believe the difference in energy, the decrease in body pain, even just the difference in my skin not looking so sallow and haggard. I had been on IV abx since early September 2005, but stopped them at the end of February this year. They may have been killing bugs, but they were making me so toxic. I'm sure I still have infections to battle, but overall I've been feeling better the 5 weeks off of abx. I'm pairing the colonics with lymphatic drainage, which is also giving me good results and helping to flush out years worth of old toxins. I've also had the dental surgeries like Gigi. I'm also using the KMT machine. My goal is not to be on abx the rest of my life, but to slowly clean up the toxic wastedump in my body, so that my immune system is much stronger and better equipped to deal with the infections.
So I would have to say that the colonics, dental work and lymphatic work have helped me the most so far. I encourage those thinking about colonics to try at least one, and see if it makes you feel any better.
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I have to say it's encouraging to see a movement in thinking 'outside of the box'.
It's funny, Lyme IS outside of the box..
but then there is another box outside of that box..
In my view, Lyme is incidental to our problems.
To my mind, the best and most thorough and lasting recovery is one that treats the whole body, and we will have infections to treat perhaps - but just not so much weight and emphasis put only on the disease(s) themselves.
It makes sence. Even if you are on an effective antibiotic or other antibacterial, of you don't work to keep eliminative pathways clear --- even a potentially effective treatement will produce waste that can easily overload the gut, liver, bladder, kidneys, capliaries, lymph ect, ect..
Then we get all kinds of symptoms we think is herx, Lyme getting worse, adverse reaction to tx, whatever..but there is allot of room for leaps to the wrong conclusions.. or abandoning a treatment when the true source of trouble at the time may be organ function issues due to various debris or toxins -- issues which do effect our bodies systemically in a constelation of symptoms, like Lyme can..
and the cycle goes on.
To my mind -- working hard to make sure all pathways are clear can only speed recovery, and make the journey that much easier for those of us who have complicated and chronic illness.
Just, Mo
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Over the past couple of years I have gotten very interested in 'old' MD 'cures'.
It is amazing how many of then focused on the very thing colonics does, in curing a vast number if illnesses in the day.
Modern medicine has completely abandoned this practice sing the Big Bisiness of Big Pharma.. whereas many "old MD's" were always interested first in bowel and other organ health.
Anywho -- this is just one example of one Doc's interesting work --
Excerpt from:
Principles and Practice of Naturopathy: A Compendium of Natural Healing (1925) E.W. Cordingley, A.M., Ph.D.
CHAPTER 10.
HYDROTHERAPY.
...Louis Kuhne of Leipzig was impressed with the fact that diseases are all caused by morbid accumulations in the system, and on that theory he built up his system, which is substantially as follows:
Two steam baths weekly (15 to 30 minutes' duration), taken in a steam bath cabinet much like our present-day vapor cabinets. Then from one to three hip baths daily, except that in gynecological cases Sitz-baths are taken instead of hip baths. Temperature of water should be about 60 degrees Fahrenheit.
"Hip-baths" differ from "Sitz baths" in that the former are given with the patient sitting in water up to his iliac spines, whereas in the latter the patient sits on a stool, the seat of which is on a level with the surface of the water; the water then being lifted up and rubbed vigorously about her hips with a coarse linen cloth. Vigorous friction is used in either case, using the linen cloth. This bath is continued from 5 to 20 minutes. After the bath, the patient is warmed by exercise, or, if too weak, by being put to bed.
Louis Kuhne used this method for every disease, and people came to his sanitarium from many parts of the world. To the Naturopath who has the true pathology of disease well in mind it is very evident why this method should be applicable to all classes of diseases, and I personally regard Kuhne's system as among the most valuable of hydrotherapeutic methods.
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This method produces a similar effect to fasting, enema, colonics.. in that it encourages the body to 'dump' waste.
(In Kuhne's method -- by way of heating the body with a very hot bath or steam, and then the sitz bath, concentrating cold water treatment ONLY in the lower hip/abdominal region, not anywhere else) I've tried it and it works, but you have to be committed and you cannot stop the daily baths or you will have initiated release without finishing the job which is NOT good, it is a long term process when you are very ill.. maybe colonics are a more viable option in this day. (?) If anyone is interested in doing this, I have been told you MUST learn allot about it first, and that means tracking down one of Kuhne's old books --- but if you learn this well it can be done at home.
I am not touting this method perse --
I posted it moreover because I find the general theories, their common focus - and the success throughout history very interesting.
These kinds of therapies were used in Cancer, Rhumatism, Gout, Syphillis, other infectious diseases, skin disorders, migraines, consumption, ect... colonics have a similar focus.
Mo
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