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danielb
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clearly normal sugar: sucrose, glucose, fructose, and whatever else is a problem with lyme.

for sweetening purposes, is any of the chatter over possible toxicity of sucralose much of a concern compared to the obvious toxicity of sugar and excess carbs in lyme and CFS patients? from what i read, there doesn't seem to be anything concrete or even overly cogent... at least compare to the alternative of plain sugar and considering the fact that so much potentially toxic goes into your body everyday. although, the same could have been said for ASPARTAME and there are clearly SERIOUS problems there that do make sense with the ASPARTATE/ASPARTIC ACID likely causing excitotoxic problems just as GLUTAMATE/GLUTAMIC ACID does (huge problem with many people with CFS, likely a huge problem in many people with lyme, fatigue, sensitivities, etc... and/or neuropsychiatric, emotional and psychological problems. etc. etc. etc...)

so what is the bottom line on SUCRALOSE(SPLENDA)?

for basic craving and dealing with the burden that you basically have to continue putting SOMETHING in your stomach... when sweetness is what you need for a mixture is SUCRALOSE a good answer? (whether it be a sugarless beverage (with fiber to help with fullness), a sauce to use with something low carb, or something fancy i should be thinking about... as i really always need contant creative ways of keeping my tummy full while being both VEGAN and LOW CARB)

(with my serious carb cravings by the way, so the keeping my stomach full and not-complaining is basically a requirement at all times now whenever possible possible. so any other advice would be awesome. i am also again VEGAN [Frown] sooo it gets complicated.)

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OH ONE THING I WAS WONDERING SPECIFICALLY FOR AN EXAMPLE!

can you buy peanut butter, unsweetened, with the least amount of fat as possible? (i am assuming since the fat separates in peanut butter, and that there is such thing as "defatted peanuts", that there is such a thing as "low fat peanut butter") and then add SUCRALOSE and then it would much more like normal peanut butter? and i could put it in CELERI STICKS for a snack that is actually starting to get filling... and maybe if the taste is not so adequate could i add FLAX oil to the daily mix to add fat content?

I am trying to restrict my fats to as specifically OMEGA-3-centric as possible, so I am going to buy vegan DHA (algae derived) hopefully to supplement with... and when having to use oils centre on FLAX, and *possibly* CANOLA and OLIVE if ABSOLUTELY necessary to shut my cravings up and get onto other things.

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To make Splenda, they replaced some carbon molecules with chlorine.

It's supposedly safe.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splenda - 33k

http://www.wnho.net/splenda_chlorocarbon.htm


How about some honey? It is "electromagnetically balanced" ie., it contains a NATURAL sugar and B vitamins (alkaline and acidic)...no pun intended.

Research is on both sides re: honey and insulin release.

http://www.kohala.net/bees/composition.html
http://www.honey.com/pressrm/research/enrgy-expbio.html

http://www.carbs-information.com/glycemic-index/honey-gi-value.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12911866&dopt=Abstract

http://www.rirdc.gov.au/reports/HBE/05-027sum.html

Note: we actually make some Xylitol in our bodies. However, if you use this supplement,it tends to make one "loose". Good thing or bad depends on one's viewpoint.

The more we process our foods or alter their structure, the more trouble we get into, IMO.

Yea, I live in the "real world". I know. I understand.

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Not sure I can answer your specific questions, but do have some thoughts.

I believe that it is best to avoid ``processed'' foods, and Splenda is one of those. A more natural substitute might be Stevia. I've heard that it's good, and it has been recommended by both my ND and MD.

An important question is: Why are you craving sugar and carbs to begin with? Do you have candida, and if so how are you addressing it? Is it possible that you could have a problem like diabetes or hypo-glycemia?

Next is the peanut butter. It's not good for you:

"Peanuts are not only commonly contaminated with aflatoxin, a carcinogenic mold, but they will also distort your omega-3:6 ratio. A much better choice if you want to eat nuts are walnuts, as they will give you some beneficial omega-3." http://www.mercola.com/2003/nov/5/toxic_foods.htm

Another nutbutter that's good for you is almond butter. I buy it at my local food co-op and grind it right there. That costs less than the almond butter already in the jar. I don't know about the omega content.

According to my doctors, again one is an ND the other an MD, they both prefer the Fish Oil over the Flax in terms of it's helpful effects. I do understand that you are vegan, but just wanted to let you know this.

Good luck, the food thing is really a challenge along with everything else.

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Hopeful is right about the peanut butter. Almond butter on the other hand is very good for you and it is a beneficial fat.

Wow, I have done vegan and to do it I had to have some carbs like rice. You must be eating a very limited diet.

Good question too about why you are craving sugar. Yeast is most likely an issue. The diet sounds like a good one to not feed yeast, but the diet alone will not kill the yeast. My doctor has me on a major amount of enzymes as well as a probiotic and some amino acids.

It would probably be money well spent for you to seek out a good nutritionist who could test you for food allergies and help you come up with the right diet for you.

Good luck and keep us posted.

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Almond butter is a great fat/food. It has been helpful in the smoothies my house keeper has been making me. I love it!
I have losr 15 LBS w/o excercise due to fear of maing the spirochetes mad.
Homemade smoothie at breakfast, simple small lunch/dinner.
Is it the doxy? I do not want to eat at all.

Jmcc.

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Im also vegan, but I do eat carbs, good ones. Try Quinoa, cream of buckwheaat cereal. Lots of quinoa, altho I will also eat some brown rice or brown rice crackers and corn tortillas occasionally--not everyone can eat corn

Why crave sugar or carbs ? Well, if you're too restrictive as a vegan you start to want something just to fill you up ! And there is also candida cravings....

Tofu, unsweetened soymilk, unsweetened soy yogurt, almond butter, soy cheese, soaked almonds, quinoa, cream of buckwheat cereal, beans, avacadoes, coconut oil, organic olive oil, are good heavy foods when you feel you need to be extremely anticandida, you can eat as much of these as you want. Limited heavy foods include red potatoes, brown rice, brown rice crackers, popcorn.

Look at the wholeapproach.com website for food lists. They have brown rice and red potatoes as limit foods, quinoa has an asterik next to it because it is a special case grain, no gluten and high protein--it is realy unlimited to eat.

I make pancakes with quinoa flour, the recipe is at the wholeapproach website. Put unsweetened soy milk a few ice cubes, cocoa powder or carob powder and stevia in the blender for a chocolate shake. mix almond butter, carob powder and chlorella powder(not toomuch...) together in bowl, add more carob powder until stiff, make into little balls and roll in unsweetened coconut flakes for snack food. Makes hummus and dip veggies into it or use as a sald dressing.

And, order Complete Candida Yeast Guidebook, revised 2nd edition by Jeanne Marie Martin. This book explains alot about the foods and yeast then has lots of recipes. Tons of the recipes are vegan, because as you know vegan is actually the healthiest way to eat and the book is about getting healthy. My kids loved it when I made the vital vegetable nut burger recipe as a "meat loaf" for dinner, with steamed brocolli on the side.

Stick with it and know that you can and as a vegan must eat carbs, and that you can in a healthy way that wont feed yeast or lyme

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