I Repeat: Do NOT take Garlic IF you are on BUHNER's Protocol.
SOME on this board have said that Buhner has dropped the ball, by NOT recommending this and that.
NOT TRUE!
HE has researched his protocols to the nth degree, and HIS recommendations are all compatible with each other.
CASE IN POINT: ME! I strayed from HIS protocols a "little", and got into big time trouble a couple of weeks ago. I am STILL coming out of it.
I really discovered it when I started on Coptis, which IS a very good, AND very STRONG herb. IT is NOT in HIS protocol. I stopped it, and a bunch of my herbs for a day then gradually started back on HIS recommended herbs.
I also spent several days, off and on, conversing with another with a Master's Degree in Herbalism, and SHE agreed that I should NOT stray from Buhner's protocol, IF I am on it. She said: "HE has spent a tremendous amount of time reseaching the protocols that he is recommending to us and has made SURE they are all compatible with one another. You do NOT want to MIX the HOT herbs with the COLD herbs. Mixing them makes them ALL LUKEWARM.
More is not better. MORE IS MORE!
ALL of BUHNER's recommended herbs are either COLD or NEUTRAL. When taken together they WORK.
I was taking 3 caps a day of Garlic, because I heard it was good on THIS board. AND it is, but NOT with Buhner's protocols. Garlic is HOT, it will nullify the COLD herbs of Buhner's Protocols.
I have also been taking Yohimbine for over ten (10) years, and IT is HOT also. ANOTHER No, No.
So NOW I guess I will have to join the rest of you who have lost their libido with Lyme and have very little sex from now on.
WHAT else? NOT much to live for these days, now.
I will be more tired also, I am sure, as the Yohimbine perked me up all over.
The Master, Sarah, said that in eastern medicine, we must treat the whole body and well being, NOT just one aspect of our systems. She also said, I should not be taking my vitamin C, C-Salts in Juice. Only in water. I have to get the reason, as to why, from her yet.
Continued as I get MORE info.
Jim Posted by chroniccosmic (Member # 7789) on :
Thanks Jim Bob,
That is interesting as I have been consulting with a local herbalist also. This guy is so knowledgable and had used Chinese medicine to treat himself during the last few years from a kidney condition.
The herbalist consistently reinforces that I need to clear heat from my body which goes along with what you were told.
This is totally on a different subject, but how do you know which resveratrol to order from 1st Chinese herbs? Powdered or sift/cut? I'm lost, any suggestions?
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
OH CRAP Jimbob,
Sounds like your chee got all messed up when you mixed your Ying with your Yang...
Now we all know that's a no no...for the po po...
Good luck getting back into balance......zman
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
But if you're NOT on his protocol, then TAKE IT! It's great for yeast and a whole slew of other things.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I have a feeling that Sarah is probably dead right about this.
Good info, JimBob. I had forgotten all about the hot/cold herbal thing. Thanks for the reminder.
Hey, there are lots of other sexual enhancement herbs out there. Maybe there is a "cold one" waiting for you..... hope so.
Tracy
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I'd like to understand this more as I am not sure I agree. Dr. K recommends the use of freeze-dried garlic and if it tests with ART, I am not aware of any contraindication with other Lyme herbs.
Do you have some data to support this statement such as confirmation from Buhner or elsewhere?
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
I MOST heartily agree with you TUTU...
Garlic has always done good things for me....
And it even keeps the no-see-ums and skeeters from attacking me down here.
Jim Bob you should reword your post heading as it is incorrect.
You should word your heading not to use garlic if you're following Buhners protocol...
NOT if you have lyme disease....
You may want to try siberian gensing for that other concern...although I don't know WHY a man of your age is concerned about that....
EEEEWWWWWW......zman
Posted by chainsaw joseph (Member # 6611) on :
If you have NMH wich alot of us lymies do than garlic is not a good thing to take.
Posted by bugabooboo (Member # 7383) on :
What is NMH?
Bug
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
I agree with Scott. I don't really buy into the hot/cold energy theory regarding herbs. Hubby has tried a few patent Chinese herbal remedies prescribed by docs who studied Chinese medicine. He never could tolerate those herbs -- these were not specific herbs for Lyme but for other purposes such as sleep and G.I. function.
On the other hand I seem to be really good at picking out herbs that make hubby herx. Usually I am trying something for a specific symptom such as nausea or muscle spasms.
Every time this happens when I keep researching I usually can find a logical explanation as to why he had a herx -- the answer is almost always the same -- many herbs have mild antibiotic or antifungal or antiviral properties in addition to other properties.
As far as the garlic goes, hubby can't take it when he has gastritis -- causes increased nausea and tremors. The main contraindication for garlic is that it is a blood thinner.
I like Buhner's book and do feel it is well researched. However, I feel that everyone is different and I don't have a problem adding to the basic protocol. I do sometimes wish I had a local herbalist to consult, but even then it would still be trial and error just the same as with meds. What works for one person may not work for someone else.
This is just my opinion and not medical advice.
The longer hubby remains sick the more I am leaning towards "doing it my way" as the saying goes. One of hubby's numerous docs told him "You are getting better and just don't know it." Right!!!
Bea Seibert
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
Bug,
NMH is Neurally Mediated Hypotension -- this is a common Lyme symptom and is caused by a stressed out adrenal system. The definitive test is a tilt table test.
Bea Seibert
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Organic Freeze Dried Garlic was my main support once I got past antibiotics, and it became my main antibiotic. I took it for many months (with breaks in between) alongside a number of different herbs. All of them were tested with ART as a whole to assure tolerance.
The garlic did me no harm whatsoever. It contributed greatly to my wellness. Same for hundreds of other Dr. K. patients.
Want to add here that Dr. K. rarely if ever prescribes all four of the Buhner mentioned herbs together. Most the time, and I have been present when it is done, people react positive only to one or two, never all of the main four together. It may happen that at a later date another one of these four will test positive and it is used then, dropping or retaining the previous ones.
They are also rarely taken constantly without a break in between, because patients turn against the herb (incompatible). Breaks are always taken with literally every rememdy or medicine for that very reason. This is based on a physiological mechanism called "operant conditioning".
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