I would like to know if any of you have done kidney acupuncture.
And am hoping that you will relay your experiences...positive or negative.
Thank you so very much in advance! Melanie
Posted by alliebridge (Member # 9103) on :
Sorry, I don't know what "kidney" acupuncture is.
But I have had experience with acupuncture/chinese herbs. My experience was very positive.
She "built up" my immune system and it helped with my Lyme symptoms even for a few months after I stopped treatment.
This was about five years ago. I didn't know I had Lyme at the time.
Posted by Ann-OH (Member # 2020) on :
Do they put needles right into your kidney?
I have had some accupuncture without any negative results - just positive, or no result at all.
Sorry you are having kidney problems.
Ann - OH
Posted by sizzled (Member # 1357) on :
Sorry, never had acupuncture for kidneys.
BUT...did have it for frostbit toes that an orthopedic surgeon felt needed to be removed.
Years later, no frostbite and I have all my toes and I haven't needed anymore than the few acupuncture sessions.
Posted by dontlikeliver (Member # 4749) on :
I've had acupuncture (traditional Chinese) where they've worked on any area that needed working on, but not sure what you mean by kidney acupuncture...do you mean needles in kidney area, or acupuncture to benefit kidneys (because if so, the needle wouldn't necessarily being going into the kidney area).
I think it helped me. But can't afford to do it all the time.
DLL
Posted by Virginia of Yore (Member # 3269) on :
For those who want to try acupuncture and don't like needles, there is also a form of electrical acupuncture that uses specific frequencies to help restore "chi" energy flow in the body. (This is not the same as RIFE, or the KMT-25 device from Dr. K.) I can't really say whether it works or not, but it's something to ask about as an option if you are considering acupuncture.
Posted by Melanie Reber (Member # 3707) on :
Thanks everyone for your replies!
Honestly...I don't know what kidney acupuncture is either! But that is something my doc recommended, so I have made an appointment for next week.
I don't know if needles will be placed around the actual kidney areas, or in other places that effect the kidneys...guess I will find out soon enough.
I am so pleased that overall your acupuncture experiences have been positive...I tend to not want to still things up any more than they already are at this point...but if it will help, I am all for it.
Wow, Mizz Sizz that is amazing about your poor frozen toes! I am so happy that they were able to heal!
And thanks for the other option Virginia, sounds interesting.
I will let you all know what happens and if it helps.
Much love, M
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Melanie...if you are now exploring "alternative" medicine treatments, look into Reiki...
This is WHY...Pay attention to my ***:
A quantal perceptive model of brain function has been postulated by several groups.
Reiki-like healing practices in seizure disorder (ILAE classification - II E - generalized seizures - tonic clonic), involving transfer of life force or low level of electromagnetic force (EMF) from the healer to the recipient patient, may act via quantal perceptive mechanisms.
Increased synthesis of an endogenous membrane Na+-K+ ATPase inhibitor digoxin and a related tyrosine / tryptophan transport defect has been demonstrated in refractory seizure disorder (ILAE classification - II E - generalized seizures - tonic clonic).
Reiki-like healing practices in refractory epilepsy results in a reduction in seizure frequency.
Reiki-like healing practices produce membrane stabilization and
***stimulation of membrane Na+-K+ ATPase activity by quantal perception of low levels of EMF.***
***The consequent intracellular hypermagnesemia inhibits HMG CoA reductase activity and digoxin synthesis resulting in the alteration of the neutral amino acid transport (tryptophan / tyrosine) defect. ***
A hypothalamic digoxin-mediated quantal perception model of brain function is proposed. The phenomena of biological transmutation and consequent hypermagnesemia occurring in the resultant neuronal quantal state is also discussed.
How to cite this article:Kumar RA, Kurup PA. Changes in the isoprenoid pathway with transcendental meditation and Reiki healing practices in seizure disorder . Neurol India 2003;51:211-214
From where I sit...looks MIGHTY good!
I know to us in the "West" this sounds impossible, but if you begin to understand the "aura" that surrounds us (but we can't see it because our eyes block blue light), then you will begin to understand the "transfer" of energy from one person to another. Touch is important. VERY. There IS "something" to it.
Posted by Melanie Reber (Member # 3707) on :
Good morning Miss Marnie,
Ya know I love ya, right?
But could you please rephrase that in plain english for me? Pretty please with sugar on top?
Posted by robi (Member # 5547) on :
Robi's instant translator machine:
REIKI IS GOOD FOR YOU
Love ya, robi Posted by Melanie Reber (Member # 3707) on :
OH, and one more thing...I have a massage scheduled for today, do you think this is a mistake or a good thing? It is at the same place as the accupuncture place and they incorporate all of that eastern stuff.
I dont want any more toxins released right now, since that is my main problem- toxin build-up...but oh my, my muscles could sure use some help!
See how I snuck that extra question in there? Posted by northstar (Member # 7911) on :
Massage: if you are herxing, detoxing, I would go slow on this. I tried this once, asking for lymph massage from a young general massage therapist. It was totally gentle, and full body.
I could barely walk for a week afterwards because joints flared up. However, I was pretty sick at that time.
I switched to a Vodder trained therapist, who only worked on jaw, neck and axillary. No problems, and it helped drain brain.
She said the upper left quadrant drains 75% of body lymph, and doing a full body initially is overburdening the body, i.e. one has to clear the last channel before opening up all the channels.
Kidney accupuncture: I have never heard this term before. Accupuncture works on Chinese meridians system. The needles do not go in deep.
I have had three different practitioners, 2 were almost painless (tiny ouchie at most), but the 3rd had the touch of a cow doctor....maybe if you are concerned, you could call practitioner to inquire. They would be the best one's to answer
Perhaps the dr. meant accup. for kidney imbalance. Kidney meridians are not just kidneys per se. It is an entire system, affecting many levels and organs. It is a life force system. Google kidney meridian to see it.
Reiki: treatment will affect you on all levels: physical, emotional, spiritual. Until you have experienced it, it is impossible to understand. I feel it is a nourishing adjunct.
I did energy work for 8 years prior to lyme, and was not able to do it during 2 years of illness. I have just resumed this spring. I think it is amazing, I will never understand it, and at this point, it does not matter - it just is.
There are recommendations that one be alert to reactions to meds, such as in diabetics (i.e. perhaps requiring less insulin). It will bring up suppressed emotions, it is relaxing and nourishing. It can aid in some types of pain relief, it has helped clear lungs, some headaches, attitude adjustment (!).....a little bit of everything.
Not a panacea, but a beautiful adjunct. The practitioner is only a channel, and your body/soul (ok, do not want to get into a debate about that here!) will use it where it is needed. There can be physical healing, too, based on my and other's experiences. Sometimes a little, sometimes alot. It has been shown to have an effect on side effects of chemotherapy, also.
Qualitiy of reiki depends on practitioner. The problem is the ability to maintain mindffulness, i.e. not bringing in their own debris during a session. There are various degrees of "polluted" people in all walks of life, so be selective.
Northstar
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Northstar and others...excellent posts!
Yea...vodder massage is great...very gentle lymph massage. Our lymph nodes filter "junk"...but very slowly...too slowly...ouch when they are swollen.
We have LOTs of lymph nodes throughout our bodies. Not just the neck and armpits.
Melanie...it looks like Reiki helps *release stored Mg* which would be a good thing and helps restore the Na-K pump to boot.
But...taking Mg (just a little) OFTEN with lecithin and B vitamins (adapting Valletta's patent - "Magnesium for autoimmune") - would theoretically be a very good thing. VERY.
And vitamin E (the good kind) once a day with a meal.
Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on :
Too fuzzy this morning to read through all the posts but more than likely the accupuncture for the kidneys will be like Cave said.
I had accupuncture done twice, couldn't afford more but the places for my liver were no where near my liver. One was in the top of my foot I remember that.
Also the needles are not really like needles they are more like very fine wire, the thickness of maybe a piece of hair. They didn't hurt but one itched like mad while in. (I think it was the one for the liver on top of my foot).
Good Luck, I'm sure it will be helpful. It will also be relaxing and schedule some rest time after incase it tires you out.
As for a massage, ask them to go really easy on you. Although if the masseus/masseur(?) you see knows cranial sacral massage that feels great. Wish I had someone to do that right now.
Posted by Melanie Reber (Member # 3707) on :
OK,
so my doc feels that it IS my lymph system that is causing most of my problems right now...
lots of pain in the abdominal areas, and other areas, plus swollen glands, edema, etc.
I do NOT want nor need a lymph massase right now, I had one in the past when I was overly toxic and it only caused more problems- BAD problems.
Where is the "last channel" that needs to be open to allow the others to flow?
Sorry, I am a complete massage novice. But know enough to not let them do the lymph thing right now.
Posted by northstar (Member # 7911) on :
I tried to reproduce what the Vodder person was doing, and we had a good laugh because it was not working....at least for brain effects.
She said when self-treating we often are not relaxing the muscles in the areas where we need to relax so the lymph can ba massaged, i.e. a mechanical block, counterproductive......
This is what I remembered/perceived about my treatments:
Both sides: always FEATHER light repetitive strokes. She could spend 45 minutes just on jaw, neck. Chin to ear, then down neck to collarbone.....side by side & overlapping strokes, not just one area. Then collar bone area to center sternum. Again slightly overlapping path of stroke and directed to center body line.. Then axillary, top of breast, to sternum. Overlapping strokes.
When you find sore spots, there is a lymph congestion. My problem is axillary now, and occasionally pelvic areas. The areas are sore to touch, like a bruise or muscle injury.
N.
Posted by Melanie Reber (Member # 3707) on :
Thanks for the link to the photos Northstar,
Yes, lymph nodes are just about everywhere, aren't they? From what I remember of my lymph massage years ago, the masseur went right to the nodes and they HURT so good!
I was unaware of their locations, but he sure found them and pushed the pain away. The problem was that very soon afterwards, I started to swell with edema, and had no way to eliminate the added toxins!
So, that increased my already overly toxic state to a near fatal position. (I don't use those words lightly)
It then took a good month and a half of detoxing to just get back to the original bad condition prior to the massage.
So, I am wary of any lymph massage when we are already harboring toxins.
Now, this was just my experience, and I know that others have had great experiences with lymph massage...but ya know, once burned...
So, anyway, I really do appreciate you sharing your insights with us...thanks.
And Bluebird, thanks for letting me know that the needles are tiny and relatively painless. I do have a high threshold to pain, but am not wanting to add anymore to my plate at the moment.
Cavers, I will take your non-expert opinion any day! Thank you.
Miss Marnie, thanks for dumbing down your wealth of knowledge for me! And for all that you do for us!
Nice translating Robi!
OK, I have to run for now- thank you all so much!!!
Much love, M
Posted by northstar (Member # 7911) on :
I agree....and that is why the Vodder person would only work on neck, jaw for once a week for the first month,(she also did cranio sacral )
N,
Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on :
quote:Originally posted by robi: Robi's instant translator machine:
REIKI IS GOOD FOR YOU
Love ya, robi
and I'd like to add it doesn't hurt because mostly it's done on your energy field. (I don't know if i'm saying that right.)
I was at a meeting once and had an awful migraine, I was sitting there trying to picture snow, trying to ice it down.
Anyway, to make a long story longer... Afterwards one of the guys did some Reiki on my headache and it felt instantly better and was completely gone in 1/2 hour. (migraines were generally lasting 18 hours for me)
Ah, where's Ned when you need him? Posted by sizzled (Member # 1357) on :
Hmm.
I would go for the acupuncture first and tell the doc about the toxin problem.
She/He may be able to find a blocked chi area and help open it up.
Maybe?
I never had any adverse effect from the acupuncture but I did feel sore for a few days after a massage (cranio-sacral) and also had adverse effect from chiropractic work (headaches afterwards).
Posted by Melanie Reber (Member # 3707) on :
So, I had my massage yesterday (first one in years), she was very gentle and it felt great at the time...
BUT...
as of last night, I am really a limping lily.
Can anyone tell me...what lives in the left hip, in the back just above the glute?
And why this area would be in pain when it was hardly touched?
Is my chi all screwed up or what?
Posted by northstar (Member # 7911) on :
I thought you were not going to do it?!
I have no idea what could have happened, but it does sound like a muscle (sacroiliac?sp?) is messed up, which could then affect hip/spine alignment.
But your joints are ok and that is great!
What about a walk to stretch (and to constrict muscles to move lymph since they do not have a pump system except for muscles), or heatingpad/hot water bottle, or warm sea salt bath while stretching/massaging, etc? Do you have "linamint" like Tiger Balm?
Can you call her tomorrow to complain and get a free "fix me up" treatment"? !
Northstar
Definitely not a direct chi problem, although chi can be disturbed a wee bit as a result of muscle/joint/spine injuries/misalignments (scar tissue, etc, too).
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