would like to post MY OPPINION on this matter without being yelled at or accused of treason or death. i was a dentist for 23 years and 4 years of dental school, lots of microbiology and lots of infectious disease, and 5 years on partial dental consultant to this board. so i feel i am qualified to give my oppinion and this is only an oppinion and not based on fact but sound reasoning.
1) Many lyme people that have had lyme for over 2 years would be considered chronic to myself and others. This means that the bacteria start their voyage to the muscles and tissues of the body and join the single end of a particular cell,ie muscle, tendon,heart,kidney.
2) at this stage they form cysts and are fairly inert until there is a stress on the body that brings them to the forefront, this stress being physical ,mental or emotional.
3) I you were to run a pcr on saliva I would make a large assumption that 95-99.9% would be negative. I do not know the research on this . i am postulating this from data found with pcr's and blood. i have chronic lyme disease and never never had a positive pcr , but had every western blot positive and an elisa of 6.2.
4) the reason mine and many or most pcr's of the blood are negative is because it is like finding 10 ping pong balls in a large swimming pool. they are there but getting the sample with one cell in it is extremely difficult.
5) there are just not a lot of circulating bacteria in the blood stream period, compared to say hepatitis or tb. As a dentist we were more concerned about cross contamination of hepatitis and tb rather than AIDS and lyme disease, WHY?????
6) there are many enzymes, acids and bacteria in the mouth that happen to filter most of the intake of or body from the mouth, and keep it from getting into our blood stream. even if gets past the mouth the acids in the stomach will kill almost any bacteria. There has never been a case a AIDS, that I know of that has been transfered by saliva and also from any dentist. The only case that a patient got AIDS from a dentist is from a deliberate attempt of the dentist to give AIDS to one of his patients in Florida.
This case made national headlines and changes complete sterilization procedures in the dental office.
SO MY THEORY IS NO THERE CAN NOT BE TRANSFER OF BB THRU SALIVA, AND EVEN IF POSSIBLE THE ODDS WOULD BE LIKE WINNING THE LOTTERY. THE RECEIVING PERSON WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN OPEN WOUND IN THIER MOUTH, AND THE GIVER WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SUCH A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF BB IN THEIR SYSTEM THE WOULD HAVE TO BE DEAD.
just my oppinion and i also stayed at a holiday inn last night docdave130
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Just want to clarify that I did not stay at the Holiday Inn with docdave....OK?! Posted by Lymelighter (Member # 5310) on :
Doc, shhh the Donald would be aghast if he knew you stayed at a Holiday Inn.
Plus, don't you prefer hotels with hourly rates.
[ 09. August 2006, 09:47 PM: Message edited by: Lymelighter ]
Posted by chroniclymie (Member # 7697) on :
you guys care more about my social life than my oppinions. well if you really want to know the ritz carlton in lantana is $200 per hour or $150 per night your choice. my wife prefers the nightly rates but my girlfriend prefers the hourly rates. What's a man to do in Palm Beach with all his free time???? the yachts getting boring, going next week up to tiger's house to check out his new wife and yacht. all three are bigger than donnie's. lol docdave130 an i'll leave no more oppinions on this site if your going to make fun of me!!!!! Hust the facts mamm!!!
Posted by karatelady (Member # 7854) on :
I grew up in Palm Beach when Kennedy was president. He was there at his parents' mansion on the beach a lot. We would frequently see him playing golf in his yellow pants.
I was in 6th grade when President Kennedy was shot. Our whole school let out.
We were the kids who left the flowers at the doorstep because we lived down the road perpendicular to JFK's parent's house. Our house wasn't especially big, I remember that.
Gosh, that brings back memories talking about Lantana and Palm Beach.
My grandfather had a yacht there at the Palm Beach Yacht Club. We had it made but didn't know it - too young!
We're going to have to take this over to "general" if we aren't careful.
Uh - let's see - #2 - my trauma was menopause - all the hormones went wacky and the lyme came out full force. I think I've had lyme since I was a kid.
Sandy
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by chroniclymie: you guys care more about my social life than my oppinions...... an i'll leave no more oppinions on this site if your going to make fun of me!!!!! Hust the facts mamm!!!
Naw... not making fun! Just don't have a strong opinion of my own on this.
Sandy...we must be about the same age then.
Posted by newdurham77 (Member # 7815) on :
Just published today....
Effect of salivary gland extract from Ixodes ricinus ticks on the proliferation of Borrelia burgdorferi sensu stricto in vivo.
* Machackova M, * Obornik M, * Kopecky J.
Faculty of Biological Sciences, University of South Bohemia and Institute of Parasitology, Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic, Branisovska 31, 370 05 Cesk6e Budejovice, Czech Republic. [email protected]
Saliva-activated transmission (SAT) of Borrelia burgdorferi sensu stricto was demonstrated using real-time PCR and salivary gland extract (SGE) from partially fed Ixodes ricinus ticks. C3H/HeN mice were injected intradermally with 1.5 x 10(3) spirochetes mixed with 40 microg of SGE per mouse. The control group was inoculated with the same dose of spirochetes without SGE. The accelerating effect of SGE on spirochete proliferation was demonstrated on day 1 post infection, when a 4.2-fold increase in spirochetes was found in the skin and a 10-fold increase in the blood, compared with control mice. The data represent the first direct evidence of a SAT effect of I. ricinus SGE on infection with the Lyme disease agent B. burgdorferi.
PMID: 16898130 [PubMed - in process]
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
I respect your opinion but I dont agree sorry Posted by chroniclymie (Member # 7697) on :
nwedurham: this article makes no sense whatsoever. do you have the link for the original article?
where was the sat taken from to give to the mice,according to this it comes from the saliva of the ticks, that doesn't prove transmission to humans, it just proves there is bb in ther saliva of ticks that can be trabnsfered which we already knew.
treepatrol: i need to rephrase my oppinion, it is possible but statistically improbable to transfer bb thru saliva from human to human. If AIDS can't be transfered ,then how could you believe lyme could be. and besides tiger has bigger balls than donnie docdave130 docdave130
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