Buhner recommended boneset against fevers and sweats. I don't have either of them for a long time. But I still have chills, which I think is either herxing or bartonella symptom.
I started taking boneset a few days ago, more seriously, just to give it a try as chills are my only basic symptoms now.
It IS doing something, in a very different way that other body-warmer-herbs did (like cinnamon, Chinese yang plants, ginger tea, Galgant etc).
The other herbs do help with increasing body temperature. Now I'm on boneset ONLY and I have the impression it first clears my brain, calms me (when I get chills I get 'euphoric')and I don't really notice that increase in body temperature as with other herbs (that feel like feverish), but my temperature just normalizes.
So somehow I feel boneset is a more complete treatment against temperature problems, not only against sweats and high fever temperature (that I really don't have!!).
Anyone else on boneset 3-4x day? What do you think about it?
Selma
Posted by NP40 (Member # 6711) on :
Selma,
If I remember correctly, you had babs as well. Chills can be a babs symptom as well.
Posted by sweet pea (Member # 6495) on :
Hi Selma,
I think boneset has worked for me with body temperature issues, and it got rid of facial flushing also. I probably have/had babesia.
P
Posted by hardynaka (Member # 8099) on :
Nope, my babesia is probably long gone. Now I got a new set of symptoms like finger pain (hands only), swelling (light) on fingers, plus chills-only without any hot flashes/ night sweats.
Only chills. I had many many babesia symptoms, including mood swings, depression, night sweats, hot flashes, air hunger etc. All gone for many months (since June last year). That's why I do think these are bart only.
I was just wondering if there are others still using boneset and having good results with it. I read it's immunostimulant, helps fagocitosis better than echinacea etc (Buhner).
It helped my swelling (down to zero so far...), my bone pain (I guess that's bart, not babesia at all, at least I never had that while my babesia symptoms were flaring)...
Wondering if others got experience with boneset??
Thanks,
Selma
Posted by Jennifer Geddie (Member # 9097) on :
Selma and sweetpea ,
What form of boneset do you take? I have terrible chills ( ten years ) and would like more info. Where do you purchase it ?
Thanks for sharing !!!
Posted by sweet pea (Member # 6495) on :
Jennifer,
I get it at a Chinese herbalist's store, in the form of tea. Stephen Buhner wrote directions on how to use it in his book Healing Lyme. I'm not at home right now, but I recall that for each cup of tea, use one teaspoon of boneset. Let it steep for several minutes. Drink this 3-4 times per day for 3-4 weeks.
P
Posted by hardynaka (Member # 8099) on :
It looks like another wonderful plant Buhner chose. I AM impressed!!! I tried everything against chills, it's my MOST persistent symptom, from lyme, babesia, bart, whatever.
Boneset (eupatorium perfoliatum) can be taken in all forms, tincture, hot infusions, cold 'tea', decoction, I don't remember though if the powder would work.
Take a look in neuraltherapy.com or on the site of Scott betterhealthguy.com. I'm not sure they list exactly the exact amount to take it, though. If you still dont' find, I can re-type this part from the book, but it's a bit long. You have to post again then.
It certainly needs to be taken 3x day minimum to get its effect, at least for me, lower doses or less frequency seemed to have done nothing. I take tincture form, one dropper each time in hot water. But Buhner seems to preffer in tea form.
I'm sure boneset will be one of the most important herbs against chills one day.
It IS helping with my bone pain (finger pain) much better than Rizols-only. It is funny how my body doesn't get 'hot' like with ginger, 'yang' teas (Chinese recept), or cinammon recipies etc. The temperature just gets back to normal, that's it.
Let's see how it works in the long term and if it really helps against bart. I'll let you know. As for babs and night sweats, hot flushes, I can't tell as I don't have these symptoms for many months.
Selma
Posted by MariaA (Member # 9128) on :
The boneset may make you sweat, by the way - that's one of it's actions. You have to take it hot for that to happen. It may also cause mild nausea. IT's an awesome pain reliever for some of my sympoms.
Buhner says 1 tsp per cup of tea, drink 4-6 oz of it for 2-6 weeks for bartonella symptoms but I think he inserts an 'as needed' so the instructions weren't really clear for me because he also lists it as a liver tonic in a different dosage .
I"m thinking of writing in a question to his Planetthrive.com 'ask an expert' column to see if we can get some clarification on 'how long' to take it if it's unclear whether symptoms are resolving.
He also recommends red root tincture at the same time (for bartonella) to clear out dead bacteria and work on the lymph system- I had some improvement in energy and reduced pain after I added the red root.
By the way I take boneset for influenza and it's a very, very good symptom reliever for the pains and fever.
Posted by hardynaka (Member # 8099) on :
Thanks Maria for the answer about dosage!
It's amazing this pain reliever characteristic!! I don't remember him mentioning it, but it did solve my finger pain (I mean, I'm still on it, but the Rizols I was taking had a much lesser effect than boneset on that).
I suppose, the advice would be take it as long as you have bart/ babesia symptoms. I'll do it, as long as chills come and go, or this finger pain comes, I'll continue on it. It doesn't seem a toxic herb, as far as I remember...
I read that bart is a tough infection to treat, so... 2 weeks sound quite short.
I'll certainly take it next week to ART test. Let's see what the naturopath will say.
The problem is that I don't see my chills anymore these last days, and my fingers normal 90% of the time after adding this boneset, so it's pretty hard to know when to stop!
There's Joyce who was taking it too and saying it was really helping her. Her computer crashed, so she can't joint in to add more
I know I should add red root too. I was hoping the Rizols would have helped solving bart, but nope!! Gotta go back to the man's suggestions!
Selma
Posted by Jennifer Geddie (Member # 9097) on :
selma,
Two other herbals you may want to check out for lyme and coinfections : banderol and quina .
I have heard of some people rotating them every twelve days . They are by nutramedix .
I have not tried them yet.
Have you considered trying rife with your herbs ?
Posted by hardynaka (Member # 8099) on :
Jeniffer, is either of them specifically useful against bartonella ? I checked their site, there's no info on the herbs.
Where did you find info about people using them?
I'll give my naturopath another chance to try to find something else by herself next week AND I will add stephania root and red root next (both recommended by Buhner). I can't take the herb number one against bart (KNotweed) due to allergy.
I don't have a rife machine. Have you rifed bart? Did it work?
I use another machine, the KMT, with specific programs against bart though. I can't say if it helps, as I never really stopped it since I got bart symptoms to see if I go down...
I'm still not desperate, as things are moving for better again.
The boneset is working against symptoms, I wonder if it's then really working in elliminating the creatures. It looks too good to be true, but who knows? Only time will tell.
Thanks for any new info about these nutramedix tinctures, Selma
Posted by Jennifer Geddie (Member # 9097) on :
selma I do not know about the specifics . I really do not think anyone can guess which antiinfective is going to be effective with us because there are so many strains of each pathogen ( for example there are twelve of babesia ) . Everything we do really is experimental , even antibiotics .
I am so glad you feel you are moving forward ! You can keep these other botanicals in mind if you feel you want to add something else in the future . They are rotated with samento on the Cowden protocol ( a doc in Fort worth, Texas ) .
I will eventually try rife because the success of people like Ernie and others here is CONVINCING .
Right now I want to finish up my ABX , get acclimated to andrographis , then eventually go to botanicals and rife totally .
I wish you well and thank you for sharing your progress with us here .
I am on the andrgraphis , and it is POWERFUL. I can only tolerate two capsules daily right now with the ABX . I hope i can see a bit of difference ( improvement ) within four months, then I will drop the doxycycline and add the other herbs .
Blessings to you .
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