I had my friend take a picture of it with her cell phone, and I have it saved on my computer.
Can I post it on here, to see if others think it is stretch marks or Bartonella rash,
thanks,
i am sooo slow thinking, so having a hard time now.
thanks,
Trish
Posted by AlisonP (Member # 7771) on :
Hi Trish,
You can go to photobucket.com and create an account and upload your picture and then it will be on a website and will give you the url of the website which you can post here.
Okay, that sounded confusing even to me. I will PM you with my e-mail and if you want to send it to me i can post it for you if that would be easier as I already have an account set up do do this.
Alison
Posted by AlisonP (Member # 7771) on :
Hi All,
Here are Trish's pictures of her rash.
I was just telling her that I also have Bartonella and as soon as I saw the pictures I could see that we have not only the same rash, but in the same place. My hips look exactly like that! The marks are going in exactly the same direction, too.
Although for me since Bart treatment the marks have faded somewhat.
Posted by AlisonP (Member # 7771) on :
I don't have any pictures of my hips, but here's one I found of my abdomen prior to treatment -- can't remember if I've posted this before or not.
The red dots you see are not moles, they are petechiae.
A.
Posted by Health (Member # 6034) on :
thanks Alison,
Thanks!
I normally have a flat stomach, notice the belly i look pregnant, I am not.
I thought these may be stretch marks, I have gained 60lbs in three years,, but these marks only appeared the past 3 months.
Never had them before.
Do they look like Bartonella rash, or just red stretch marks.
I am not on Bartonella treatment, I am on lyme treatment. My LLMD thinks I dont need to be treated for Bartonella, as had low titer on test.
Always appreciate commments on here.
Thanks.
Trish
Posted by AlisonP (Member # 7771) on :
Hi Trish,
No problem! To me, they look *exactly* like a Bart rash. BTW I gained 60 pounds in about 4 months. My bart rash did not show up for me until many months after my lyme symptoms showed up.
They do not look like stretch marks. If you feel them, can you feel how they are a bit ... am trying to think of the right word ... ropy? Mine feel almost tube-like if I run my fingers across them perpendicularly. Stretch marks shouldn't feel like that. Also, again, their dispersion is almost identical to my bart rash - that sort of comet-like shape and the angle.
My LLMD has seen them in person and she confirmed for me that they are Bartonella. Also my little sister has the same rash, also Bartonella but she tested negative for Bart (we still treated her for it though).
I believe that treating for co-infections is very important. If you have a Bart rash that is as prominent at that, I would eschew the bloodwork results, low titer or not, and treat it. Like I mentioned my sister was completely seronegative for Bart but was treated for it anyway and made great improvement also.
We spent months treating my Bart before going after Lyme specifically -- it was a long road, but I finally feel better now and I think it was worth it. Bart is nasty!
Cheers,
Alison
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
alison -
how can you tell the difference between red moles, and petuchiae? i am very fair-skinned and for as long as i can remember have had (what look like) several bright red moles. the moles are really small, just tiny red dots in random places.
thanks, heather.
ps. and if they're petuchaie, what does that mean/signify, exactly?
Posted by Jill E. (Member # 9121) on :
Hi,
I'm on Bart treatment now (actually, again, had to abandon the first time due to medication side effects).
I have developed bacillary angiomatosis from Bartonella. This is different from the red streak. They are red dots/marks - mine start out as bright red spots on pimples, then flatten out into bright red spots like a magic marker tip.
Two LLMDs confirmed this is Bartonella.
The little pinpoint red dots are the Babesia petechaie.
My Bart test did not turn positive until I began Bartonella meds, then it became positive and my symptoms worsened.
Those look like Bart stretch marks to me.
Jill
Posted by AlisonP (Member # 7771) on :
heiwa - the petechia I have -- there are literally hundereds of them over my body. They are not raised at all, except for a couple. Some of them are just the tiniest of pinpricks in size, some of them are bigger.
I don't know anything else about the petechiae except for what I looked up as a medical deifinition and all it said was "a sign of an infectious process".
Jill - that is interesting that you were told they were babesia related. That makes me wonder yet again if I have babs, though I don't get a lot of the babs symptoms like night sweats. Hmmm.
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
I watched the Fried DVD on bartonella and here are my notes on rashes:
RASHES rash - deep purple - hard - they are a result of new red blood vessels being made. You get the rash from inflammation. They don't fade without treatment.
Has been described as any of these: Rashes are maculaopapular (they are flat) urticarial (means itching) erythema nodosum - hard firm nodule granuloma annulaire ring worm appears round - elevated thrombocytopenic purpura - pinpoint rashes Lyme Disease Association - Go to M F MD presentation
My tests were negative but a rash appeared after I had been on treatment for lyme for awhile. Another doctor, not LLMD, say's that they can be caused by addison's or gaining weight.
Mine are red and on my side but a little higher than yours. They look very similar to yours except that you look like you have some redness around the rash on the skin and I don't. My LLMD saw mine and said it is bartonella, no doubt in his mind.
I've gained a lot of weight since being sick but it has been a long time so mine would not be stretch marks. I don't know what the difference is between stretch marks and a bartonella rash but one thing to look for is if they are at an angle or place where you would not expect stretch marks. Check your body over to make sure you don't have them anywhere else, even behind the knees.
As evidenced by many in this group, a negative test means nothing. Many people with lyme are infected with a BLO (bartonella like organism) so if there is any indication that you have it, it seems prudent to get treatment.
Just curious, is your LLMD an ILADS doctor? My understanding is that most LLMD's would know that tests are meangingless for co-infections. Did your doctor mention other possible reasons for these marks, like addison's? I wonder if they can tell if the rash is caused by new blood vessel formation and inflammation or stretched skin. Perhaps by feeling them??
Terry
Posted by Allison Smith (Member # 11631) on :
I have the same thing, along with the little red spots. I have it mostly on my shoulders,back and neck. They do look like stretch marks, but how many people get stretch marks on their shoulders and back. It flares up like crazy when I start feeling sick again. But I'm not under anyones care right now. But that's good that you noticed it and brought that question to everyones attention.
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
I've had a rash on my foot that looks exactly like your pictures. I got it about 2 weeks after I got sick.
Was told it was granuloma annulare. I've had it for the last 21 years. It clears up in one spot but then moves to another.
So have I had Bartonella for 21 years? I just started Rifampin, but am getting very sick from it.
Kathy
Posted by tabbytamer (Member # 3159) on :
Ok, now is Bart the absolute only reason someone would have marks like those pictured in this thread?
All my sons have those exact marks, running in the same direction as pictured, across their abdomen, back, and underarms.
One of my son's marks have faded some since being on long term low dose abx for acne treatment. Coincidence?
Is there no way just plain old stretch marks can look like that?
I am positive for Bart via Quest labs, but do not have those marks.
Posted by nan (Member # 63) on :
Thanks. I just looked at my fingers, and they dont look like that at all, it must be because I am squeezing my fingers to show the skin on my hips. My hands look normal, healthy actually.
I have though thought I have one of those conditions, the scloderma, as I have tiny skin areas that appear waxy looking.
I also had 2-3 small areas, smaller then 1/2 cm that seemed to be getting raw, I dont know why that would happen, as I was in lyme treatment.
I am now on tetracycline for past 2 months, and one has healed about 75%. Something is wrong with my skin though, very mild, starting, not sure what. I dont know if I am getting
worse, or if the herxing is just too strong,. I have to figure this out, I am feeling like adrenal collapse,
I thought it was lyme getting worse, but I am going to go to see a Rheumotologist just to be safe, as my Nana had lupus for years, and
eventually died from it, and the drugs to control it.
My skin on my hands, not fingers though, looks actually like a very early Acrodermatitis Chronica Atrophicans, which I read can be lyme.
My fingers look nothing like the pics though, the redness is not on my knuckles at all or near the nail beds.
Thanks though,
Always good to be cautious.
Trish
Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :
quote:Originally posted by Health: My fingers look nothing like the pics though, the redness is not on my knuckles at all or near the nail beds.
Oh, okay, I was going by the way your fingers appeared on the pictures. When I saw redness around the nails, I remembered the picture on the medical site.
Carol
Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on :
quote:Originally posted by tabbytamer: Ok, now is Bart the absolute only reason someone would have marks like those pictured in this thread?
All my sons have those exact marks, running in the same direction as pictured, across their abdomen, back, and underarms.
One of my son's marks have faded some since being on long term low dose abx for acne treatment. Coincidence?
Is there no way just plain old stretch marks can look like that?
I am positive for Bart via Quest labs, but do not have those marks.
Tabby, I may be mistaken (and someone, please, correct me if I am) but I think regular stretch marks are normal to lighter skin color.
The ones I have since being a chubby child and teen are that way.... my skin color with lighter streaks (for lack of a better word).
I do have the tiny squiggles showed in the last pic of the Dr F slides above and ever increasing petechia (sp?). Lately, the palms of my hands have been going bright red and more red dots appearing everywhere. Posted by DolphinLady (Member # 6275) on :
A few weeks into bart tx (rifampin) I developed a granuloma annulare on my left forearm. It has faded but I can see where it once was.
BTW I test negative for bart but respond to treatment.
Posted by CatWoman (Member # 10900) on :
Trish,
That sorta looks like my bartonella rash except mine's on my arm. I too gained 50 pounds really quickly so thought it was stretch marks but found it odd that it would appear almost 2 years AFTER the weight gain and also only on one arm (aren't stretch marks symmetrical?). My Lyme doctor asked me if I had any "stretch marks" and I said only here and showed him and he said it's classic bartonella. My marks are smaller than yours but yeah looks familiar.
And also what is up with the dramatic weight gain over such a short period? I noticed 2 people in this thread mentioned that too. I haven't lost any of the 50 pounds I gained because of the fatigue/inactivity.
~catwoman
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Posted by Vanilla (Member # 11155) on :
I wish mine was on my hip or arm. I am going to the dermatologist tomorrow and I really do not want to have to show him my perhaps bart rash because of the place it is in.
Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
interesting thread; thanks for photos of rashes and nail links; i added them to my newbie links.
may i suggest each of you send your good links to TREPATROL so he can add them to his newbie ARCHIVE of outstanding info. thanks! Posted by Health (Member # 6034) on :
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Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
Need help -- any links to pictures of petechiae that definitely say they can be caused by Bart or Babs???
Just admitted hubby to hospital -- he has many new petechiae -- today is the first day I have seen them. I had him strip a day or two ago to look for bruises so I know these are new. Nurse thought they were cherry angiomas -- he does have some of those that have been there for years (since chicken pox as a kid).
I think the internal medicine doc at the hospital really wants to help. I just need to point her in the right direction.
She already gave hubby one gram of IV Rocephin and she actually witnessed one of his seizure-like episodes with temporary paralysis/tetany and altered state of consciousness.
Just need help deciding which infection to treat most agressively right now.
Thanks
Bea Seibert
Terry K -- Your link does not work.
Posted by AlisonP (Member # 7771) on :
Hi Bea,
If you look at the picture above that I posted of my bart rash, you can see a ton of petechiae as well. They look like little freckles on me, but vary in size and the larger ones appear to be raised a bit.
The photo I took above has been darkened a bit to bring out the contrast of the bart rash, so thepetechia are actually a more bright red in color than in the photo you see there.
If you like, I can try to take another picture of them -- just let me know.
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