If LD patients are low on magnesium and iron, doesn't it necessary follow that the spirochetes are absorbing those, so if we take them artificially, we are just feeding the spirochetes?
Posted by Searching4Answers (Member # 11079) on :
Up for your ideas! Posted by KauaiGoddess (Member # 11782) on :
would make sense....
I posted the topic- Bacteria needs iron for
growth?!!?? - look for it on the second or thrid
page..... there were some interesting responses...
I have read, that bacteria feeds off IRON,
someone in the that post said that Lyme is
different... it's hard to say..... I'm low in
both Iron & Mag....after 3 months of Liquid Iron-
it dropped even lower. So where's that Iron
going?? Does make one think , to those
critters...I stopped taking Iron for now, even
though I'm low....I take at least 1000mg of Mag
per day...I never thought about Magnesium
feeding the
bacteria though....interesting....I will start
to pay close attention
how I feel after I take it now....
It'd be interesting to hear what others think...
I'm going to google this magnesium thing.....
Mahalos~
Fawne
Posted by James H (Member # 6380) on :
On the surface it sounds like a good idea to starve them of essential nutrients... But the harsh reality is that YOU will die from the lack of them long before they will.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
BB lives off magnesium. Babesia lives off iron.
If we don't supplement these, we have trouble.
Take care.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Bb has a Mg transporter protein as well as a transferrin binding protein.
It doesn't want Mg or Fe "hanging around".
Mg-ATP INactivates PFK. Bb is "PFK dependent".
Mg INactivates HMG CoA reductase (as does glucagon!) which shuts off cholesterol production and Bb's cell wall is just that...lipoproteins. This sucker uses glucose...many forms...and triggers our liver to make glucose from other non carbon sources to supply energy to those cells while...
trying to supply the nec. nutrients to destroy the pathogen (several...)
We are using Mg to FIGHT as well as many other pathways.
Fe binds oxygen. Bb does NOT want oxygen. It esp. doesn't want superoxide, NO, and has figured out how to protect itself from destruction via H2O2.
Many pathogens DO use iron to replicate. Our body goes into an "iron storage" mode to TRY to protect us.
Bb wants those minerals (Mg and Fe) out of its way...sends them out the door, so to speak.
It uses Mn to replicate. And has, like HIV, "zinc fingers" which are cysteine and histidine bound by zinc.
(HIV patients are in worse shape because that virus does indeed use Mg.)
Mg and Mn will sub. for one another in a pinch.
Calprotectin, in our WBCs - neutrophils - bind zinc.
Other things can reduce zinc levels too. Catch 22...we must have many of the nutrients that Bb is depleting from us. Bb is depleting a LOT!
NO + ASA. BOTH.
[ 07. May 2007, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: Marnie ]
Posted by momlyme (Member # 27775) on :
Bringing this post up for comments. Would love to hear new ideas on this.
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
I find it ironic that Dr K says that 80% of Lyme patients have KPU. While that may be true -- I feel that it is a result of the tickborne infections depleting the body of vitamins and minerals rather than the other way around. I don't think that many lymies start out with KPU but develop it over time as the infections deplete nutrients.
For example -- babesia needs iron and also fat. Also depletes zinc in animals.
Lyme -- needs magnesium and manganese and maybe B12.
I'm sure I am missing some of the nutrient connections.
Bea Seibert
Posted by Hambone (Member # 29535) on :
Even if these bacteria feed off iron, you can't starve yourself of iron. Your body can't fight them, nor heal without iron.
You can have a heart attack if your iron gets too low.
I was hospitalized last year because my iron was too low. My EKG's were awful.
Better to just feed them iron, than jeopardize your own life just to starve them of it.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Dr. B's guidelines says to supplement, so I guess that's the best we have to go by.
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