Topic: Help with malabsorption - Anyone have any thoughts on these liquid supplements?
AliG
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Anyone have any thoughts on these liquid supplements? I know Micellization is supposed to provide optimal delivery for those who have problems with malabsorption. I haven't any personal experience with liquid supplements.
[ 15. July 2007, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: AliG ]
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klutzo
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Hi Ali, Just my two cents, FWIW. I don't like to pay for liquid supps. Water is the main ingredient even in 100% juice, since fruits are mostly water, and it's heavy, so shipping costs are high. If you buy it at your local health store, they have paid shipping for the heavy bottle, and will pass that along to you in the price.
Instead, I use a light weight concentrated powder, and mix it myself into juice or water at home. My favorite is Greens First by Doctors Nutrition, but there are many out there to choose from.
I have severe malabsorption, not all of it caused by Lyme. (My mother died of it). I find maximum doses of a really good digestive enzyme to be the best treatment, assuming you are eating a healthy diet that will do you some good when it is absorbed!
I take Megazyme by Enzymatic Therapy. I average 8 tabs per day. I have never found an enzyme without Pancreatin in it that is strong enough to really handle true malabsorption. In addition, the inclusion of Bromelain helps to dissolve the fibrin that Borrelia hides behind, and Papain helps with inflammation. There are several formulas out there which have all 3 of these in them.
Anyone with severe malabsorption should be sure to take enzymes that are high in lipase, since fat absorption is usually the first and worst problem. Signs of this problem are floating stools, stools that stick to the commode, and grease floating on the water in the commode.
Before I started taking enzymes about a dozen years ago, I had gotten to where I was losing my hair in clumps, and could no longer eat anything but hot cereal and canned fruits.
I would try to go to the root of the problem and try to fix it, rather than just raising your nutritional intake alone. If it keeps up, you can have a gastroenterologist do a 72 hr. stool test for fat malabsorption.
Even better, if you can afford it, see a holistic doctor and have a CDSA test done, which will tell you a lot more,including whether or not you have yeast overgrowth or other imbalances, and even if you have small bowel bacterial infections, and which drugs and herbs the infections are sensitive or resistant to. The CDSA is a lot less hassle to do as well.
Regards, Klutzo
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Dave6002
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quote: Signs of this problem are floating stools, stools that stick to the commode, and grease floating on the water in the commode.
I had some of these signs and lost weight before I added garlic juice.
Now I gained back my weight and feel stronger.
I think these problems are caused by GI infections, which results in poor digestion and absorption of foods.
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robi
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The liquid supplement I like is Intramax. Look in to it. It has helped me. Google it. Cheapest on Ebay.
robi
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quote: Signs of this problem are floating stools, stools that stick to the commode, and grease floating on the water in the commode.
Which could also be caused by gluten intolerance.
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klutzo
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These were not the causes in my case. Gluten testing was negative. So was an elimination diet, pulse testing, a RAST panel, and the part of the CDSA which deals with that.
My Fat problem started when my gallbladder went bad and was removed, and the GI doc agrees it is the cause. A bad GB is often the cause of fat malabsorption, and Lyme really gives the GB a hard time.
I am not saying the cause is the same for the rest of you. We are all different.
I am glad garlic juice helped. I eat garlic daily and have taken the Zhang Lyme garlic supps. for six months at doses that made me reek of it. It did not help me.
Bowel Infections are a definite possibility, which is why I suggested the CDSA test.
It is also true that we have an imbalance in our ANS which causes the parasympathetic side to be weak, and that can cause malabsorption all by itself, not to mention IBS as well.
Klutzo
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I'm with Lymetoo on this one. I dropped to 88 lbs eating grains, and my gluten test was negative.
Try removing all grains from your diet, first and foremost. I cannot eat any of the most common food allergens - wheat, soy, corn, dairy, egg, fish - and then some. Chocolate was one of my worst.
I've also had some luck following a low salicylate diet at one point.
The diet that seemed to be most helpful now though (when I'm not herxing) happens to be a low iron/low copper diet.
So if nothing else works, this would be worth a try. I'm guessing I'm toxic.
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AliG
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Thanks so much for all the great information guys! I'll pass it along. I was actually trying to get some info to give Cordor, who posted in "general", maybe some of this will help. I'm not sure why she's looking for liquid vitamins.
Klutzo, The powder that you use, does it have Micellized vitamins? I'm curious as to whether you've tried them & if they made a difference. I was reading about them in the section on Malabsorption Syndrome in my Alternative Medicine book.
Thanks again for the great info! Ali
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Thanks AliG for posting this thread for me! Yes, it is a malabsorption issue. I have been luckey enough to get a new symptom, on top of all the others. ( I am also the one who was diagnosed with ACA a few months ago)
Anyway, I now have something that feels like the tip of my tongue is burnt...really, really bad. There are about 20-30 small raised white bumps there also. I have had it for over a month now. At first I thought it was thrush again, but was acting and looking different.
Showed it to my LLMD and he said it is an inflammation of the taste buds on the tongue, pretty severely inflammed. He believes it is from vitamin deficiencies.
I get a vit-b12 injection every week AND glutathione IV 2x a week, but he feels I need the rest of my vitamins in a liquid form. Apparently, all the ones I take orally in pill form.....are nor doing the trick.
So that is why I need a good liquid one. Thanks all!!
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AliG
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Sounds like it could be a B thing.
I use sublingual B-total for Bs. I love the stuff and it's relatively inexpensive. I've used it for years.
That's the only liquid I know about. I was also wondering whether the Micellized Vitamin-A might help with ACA. I know A is important for skin, as are C & E.
I'm so sorry you're going through this. I really hope the vitamins help you.
Ali
PS- Maybe the enzymes would help you too. I had given LLMD about a half a bottle, that I had left, and some info a few visits ago. I wanted to get his opinion as to if they might help you with inflamation.
He was very busy at the time. He didn't believe they would help much with inflamation, but thought they might help with absorption, I believe.
I wonder if he still has them and is wondering why.
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