And, no, I don't know anything at all about the book or Med-L, or the doctor talking. But I know all of the people he is talking about as do many of you - and all of them seem to have their heads screwed on right -
I also know and have met the real life scientist whom I have quoted many times saying "we are not allowed to ship CWDs from one lab to the other - security won't let us".
Mutations (I call them vibacs) -- ticks, mites, mosquitos, highly intelligent microbes, the result is the same. We are losing the war, unless we start putting what is left of our brains to better use.
What good does it to install an efficient light bulb that contains more mercury - where are we going to dispose all this stuff, so that it doesn't get blown back at us with the next forest fire? The trees absorb the junk from anywhere in the world! Our meat contains antibiotics and arsenic and our water contains recreational drugs??? What heritage are we leaving for our children and grandchildren - a can of DEET?
Take care.
Posted by Blackstone (Member # 9453) on :
There are many for-profit motives here. He also says some positively untrue things - if antibiotics didn't work, why would so many people have successes, including those with cognitive symptoms? He also quotes the Bowen labs test as the most accurate, and it is common knowledge amongst LLMDs that it gives a huge number of false positives. This is one reason it is rarely used these days as an actual diagnostic. That on top of a "patent pending" methodology that you have to pay to know and or use? This doesn't sound like medicine. This sounds like opportunistic extortion.
If this fellow really has some sort of miracle cure, then he needs to go to ILADS, or some sort of medical conference, and present it for others to critique.
I would be very...very skeptical.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Blackstone, you should be skeptical as you usually are.
My emphasis: see my last three paragraphs.
Take care.
Posted by mjo (Member # 7876) on :
CWD prions are so deadly that research appears to be at a standstill. Prions can remain viable in the earth for hundreds of years.
Good question about the mercury-filled lights and excellent ending--what will we leave, a can of DEET?!
I don't normally throw wierd theories around but I met someone who was obviously cognitively affected by Lyme. I believe from what I can piece together from conversations with her and her emails that the people around her were dying rapidly from Lyme+what? I don't know.
Sounded like Lyme and Morgellon's and something else. She swore it was airborne and people and animals would die in a few weeks after exposure. Sometimes they died within days.
I really wanted to go investigate but she was so convincing about the airborne threat that I didn't have the guts to go to see her.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
I am skeptical, because of his claim that Lyme is airborne. IF that were true my whole family and all of my close friends would have it and none do, nor do the students I taught. I would be very skeptical about anyone who sells a kit to self asses yourself.
If he is so up to date that he is calling this 2006 Lyme then he should know that Bowen Lab does not exist anymore (if he could get the name right in the first place).
I am also skeptical, because he does not even give his name. Even Dr. C in Missouri has a website with his name.
I am opened minded about a lot of things including energy testing, but not this. Hiker
Posted by GardenLymer (Member # 6008) on :
Not sure what I thought of this....guess we'll see if his patent pending ever gets issued for starters.
I would expect a Dr to have better spelling.
The other thing that struck me as odd, was that he states lyme must be clealed, then mercury. Most of what I have read states the reverse.
At the end, when he states Dr Welles consultation is $40. for 10 or 15 mins - is HE this Dr Welles?
And might anyone who does muscle testing and or hemopathic stuff know what in God's name might be in these vials he talks about?
Has anyone here bought this test & done it? Would like to hear your take on it...
My theory on Bowen's tests results? High positives because it is mostly those of us who were pretty sure we had lyme managed to get the test. Therefore a higher incidence of pos results. Perhaps if more random people had the test done, the results would have resulted in more neg's - you know, people that didn't actually have lyme/co's.
As for the statement of LLMD's thinking that the test's at Bowen have a high rate of false pos's - I rather think it was more the fact that the test never got "approved" - therefore it became an ins problem, not to mention a problem w/ their having to keep stringent records concerning testing and treatment. Clinical testing is such a gray area - and thank God our good LLMD's know this and do this - but as we have seen - at their own peril.
If a really good test is approved - the CDC will have to admit what % of the population actually does have these disease's...(and they know how much THAT would cost) ...hummm - and where they ultimately came from (Plum Island) which would air a whole lot of the governments dirty laundry. Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
But wait....!
Millions of people have the Lyme organism in their bodies, but only a certain percentage of them will be 'symptomatic'. There is at least one European study that showed this, and we have seen it ourselves many times right here on LymeNet.
So random testing won't work to 'prove' and kind of available test, nor even whether a person has "Lyme Disease", no matter whether they use something like the Bowen test or even Igenex Western Blots.
I think Scott F. (Better Health Guy) was going to check this guy out, or get the book, or both. I don't recall reading here what he found out.
Tracy
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I did an hour long interview/call with the doctor that has this site. There is no book, no MED-L program. They were all things that were being started, but when I spoke to him months ago, there wasn't really anything planned - even though the site advertised the book was available even then.
Posted by perplexed (Member # 1913) on :
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"Frogs have it easy: they can eat what bugs them." (Barbara Johnson)
Posted by Grady (Member # 12875) on :
I have a suspicion that two people could be bitten by the same infected tick, one would get Lyme, the other would fight it off. I've been living with my mom for 12 years, and I don't know about airborne, but sharing food and utensils scares me. Everyone told me that what I had wasn't contagious, so I wasn't as careful as I should have been.
Posted by mjo (Member # 7876) on :
Maybe saying Lyme is "airborne" isn't accurate.
But if MRSA (Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus) stays contagious on dry non-human surfaces for long periods of time indefinitely, why can't Lyme?
Perhaps that is what Medicine is so afraid of: the longer Bb is treated, the greater the chance for the bacteria that survive to become extreme survival experts and the greater they are to become a threat like Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) prions.
If prions can stay in the soil for hundreds of years, they somehow developed that ability, but how? The deer host plays a large role in the survival so why could't Lyme be adapting and spreading by means other than traditionally accepted modes?
Posted by Blackstone (Member # 9453) on :
Thank you Scott - the truth comes out.
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
I'm with you, Gigi.
My suspicion though is that we are catching Lyme not so much through the literal air, but more so through the electromagnetic chaos surrounding us - which would make it appear airborne to the casual observer because we can't see these signals.
So basically the bacteria is getting signals to remain in our bodies, and the signals we are getting simultaneously are telling our immune systems to let them have a field day with us.
Scary. I worry constantly about my daughter who has two bands of Lyme and isn't listening to me - yet.
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
It is airborne mosquitoes.
Posted by Rianna (Member # 11038) on :
How possibly can anyone with Lyme be taken seriously when websites like this are launched.
Most of us fight so hard for treatment..... I know with any illness you will get a minority that will not address the real issue of their illness and search for wacko solutions that don't exist, although the real answer is to be treated by an experienced LLMD and bring rational awareness to our plight - Not ridicule
Posted by CaliforniaLyme (Member # 7136) on :
Scott, Cavey, Rianna- thank you-!!!
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