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Posted by dontlikeliver (Member # 4749) on :
 
Does anyone know what a high VEGF level means in relation to this?

LYME GENE TEST
new labcorp test run 5-part HLA inherited gene marker test from LabCorp (test 012542), it is to determine how effective your body is at removing Lyme biotoxins? You can determine your unique genetic ability to remove Lyme's specific biotoxins.

First, we should not be surprised that any organism has biotoxins because the
biological world is teeming with organisms that use toxic chemicals to function
and survive. In the animal kingdom snakes and skunks have killing or annoying
chemicals. Fish carry toxins in their barbs or their body. Insects have a wide
range of toxic stingers and toxic inflammatory bites. Fungi and molds have
dozens of toxins that have absolutely no safe dose. Finally, bacteria and viruses
have many toxins that serve to undermine host defenses and increase the
damage of these infections. In this context, that Lyme bacteria have toxins on its
outer membrane should be no surprise. Lyme has over two-dozen plasmids
designed to defeat the attacks of the immune system, so why not also have
biotoxins to defeat the immune system and undermine the human body?
Simply, Lyme bacteria release more than bacteria debris when they die, they
also release highly specific chemicals that are designed to disrupt and damage a
mammal's body. With each passing year, medicine and science learn more and
more about the seriousness of biotoxins such as those made by Lyme bacteria.
Biological toxins like those found in Lyme bacteria have so many ways to harm
your body, that it would take a small book to show how they harm humans when
released. Yet here are some brief examples.

Lyme biotoxins disrupt the fat cell system and if not removed cause a type of
obesity highly resistant to diet and exercise. The critical Leptin hormone
increases and creates a type of bloating, puffiness or abdominal distention that is
demoralizing to those trying to have a healthy weight.

Lyme biotoxins can disrupt VEGF that make and open capillaries throughout the
entire body. These biotoxins undermine VEGF function so your capillaries ability
to get oxygen to many types of tissues is impaired. A disrupted VEGF system
often leads to profound fatigue and body pains, particularly after exercise or
pushing yourself to perform a "full days work." Similarly, Lyme biotoxins can
disrupt the manufacturing of erythropoietin, a crucial chemical that produces red
blood cells that carry oxygen to all our body organs. Amazingly, the number of
red blood cells does not control erythropoietin levels, but instead it is regulated
by low oxygen in your tissues. The body knows you can have "average" numbers
of red blood cells, and still have tissues starving for oxygen. That biotoxins can
sometimes disrupt tissue oxygenation is not unique, since other illnesses also
cause this problem, e.g., kidney or liver diseases, excessively thick blood,
inflammation chemicals, nutritional deficiencies, hypothyroidism, infections or
cancers.

Lyme biotoxins also undermine the making of MSH (melanocyte-stimulating
hormone), which according to Dr. Cone's definitive text has about fifteen critical
functions. It controls inflammation, so it is being used to treat inflammation
disorders like asthma and psoriasis and ulcerative colitis. It helps repair nerves
and makes the natural pain system work normally. Perhaps one reason some
struggle with addictions is their MSH is abnormally low--under 35-40. This super
anti-inflammatory chemical is currently manufactured all over the world for a wide range of illnesses. After passing the extensive FDA process it will eventually be available in the United States--just not soon.

Another chemical impacted by Lyme biotoxins with some similar abilities is VIP
(Vasoactive intestinal peptide). VIP is the topic of over 10,000 research papers
and is involved in dilating the heart's blood vessels, promoting breathing by
bronchodilation and controlling the immune and hormone systems. However, its
role in the brain is the cause for great excitement. It can undermine brain tumors,
improve brain blood flow, improve learning and memory, and protect the brain.
The introductory article is only meant to show you sample ways Lyme biotoxins
can harm the human body. Do you wonder how effective your body is at
removing Lyme biotoxins? You can easily determine your unique genetic ability
to remove Lyme's specific biotoxins by ordering a special 5-part HLA inherited
gene marker test from LabCorp (test 012542), which is one of the largest labs in
the United States.

This HLA test is not the HLA-DR4 test that is involved in aggressive Lyme
arthritis. It is also not the HLA-B27 that is found in people with ankylosing
spondylosis, various types of arthritis, and some people suffering from psoriasis,
inflammatory bowel disease or other autoimmune disorders.
This 5-part HLA test is able to determine how well you can remove the
dangerous biotoxins of different organisms that live in the oceans, lakes, forests,
and buildings. But for our purposes in Lyme disease treatment, we are
particularly interested in two patterns--the 15-6-51 or the 16-5-51 pattern. If you
have these you will not be able to remove Lyme biotoxins. So when you try to kill
Lyme with antibiotics, antibiotic herbs, HBOT, or a wide range of traditional or
progressive means, you will release Lyme's surface biotoxins and they will pass
throughout the body easily and disrupt and damage dozens of human body
functions. Simply, this Lyme poison has no natural body antidote for those who
cannot naturally remove it--it will simply stay in your body and damage gene
expression, hormones levels, protein function and cause dozens of other injuries.
Consider it to be an eternal disruptive chemical poison able to easily pass
through water pores and cell membranes.

If you make the mistake of thinking you are still ill because of residual Lyme, and
try additional antibiotics at higher doses, you will release still more biotoxins and
they will damage your body. Therefore, no one should be treated with antibiotics
unless it is known how able they are at removing Lyme's biotoxins. You do not
open a drum of industrial chemicals until you first know how well the body is
going to survive the exposure as you remove the top! For children who fear lab
testing, their HLA pattern can often be determined from their parents. If both
parents do not have the Lyme problem gene, then none of their children can
have it.

Other HLA patterns exist which will cause Lyme toxins to be released slowly. But
they are outside the scope of this introduction.
Further, one often hears that the treatment for those who have biotoxin damage
is simply the use of cholestyramine, an old cholesterol medication with broad
biotoxins binding abilities. Unfortunately, in reality, by the time most patients with
the 15-6-51 pattern or the 16-5-51 pattern get to my office, they have had these
biotoxins disrupting many body systems and my interventions need to be equally
as complete. The idea cholestyramine will reverse all damage in a few months of
aggressive use is profoundly simplistic.

Further, after these individuals are physically repaired from biotoxin damage,
they then require very tailored and carefully paced Lyme treatment along with
treatment for their co-infections.
 
Posted by dontlikeliver (Member # 4749) on :
 
up - anyone know significance of VEGF levels and the inability to detox?
 
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
 
Last year, there was a cover article on Dr S work in the Public Health Alert that covers much of this. Also, his site at biotoxin.info may help. VEGF is also discussed in Mold Warriors.
 
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
 
I can't even remember what VEGF is..... that isn't explained in the article.

In fact, I can't even remember who I loaned my Mold Warriors book to. [bonk] (And I loaned it out before I had a chance to read it.)

Where is this article/introduction from, DLL? It seems like I've read this before.
 
Posted by AlisonP (Member # 7771) on :
 
This article looks like it maybe came from Dr. S's website (http://www.personalconsult.com)? There are tons of great articles there.

I looked up VEGF and just got this from the site:

VEGF - A Critical Hormone Associated with Fatigue, Aches and Concentration

[Smile]

Alison
 
Posted by Lymeblue (Member # 6897) on :
 
Sorry guys VEGF means: Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor. It is related to your "vascular system" capillaires, veins...
I had it done several times.....
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Before putting too much emotional stress into this, I would like to know how accurate this test is.

Also- is there a real point in finding this info out via a test which costs money?

I think some of us can tell if this is an issue without testing...

If all their protocol is about is taking chlorestramine - then just do that.

Why bother with the test?

It's good to know this info - no doubt!
 
Posted by lymeout (Member # 8045) on :
 
VEGF has a flip side - an overproduction of it is now suspected in playing a role in some cancer growths. It was/is being studied at Duke, and I would imagine other places as well. The hematologist we saw was well aware of this issue but knew nothing of the underproduction. I think low VEGF can also play a role in miscarriage.
 
Posted by AlisonP (Member # 7771) on :
 
Lymeout -- you are exactly right. There is currently an experimental cancer medication, I believe in Stage III clinical trials, that supposedly targets VEGF overproduction and works by cutting off the blood supply to the cancer cells. 'Course, one of the side effects is intestinal hemmoraging, so we'll see how it goes....

[Smile]

Alison
 
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
 
Thanks for more info on VEGF.

Cholestramine is very constipating for many people, so it is definitely out for me.

Now this may be a bit off-topic but if someone were considering the HLA biotoxin testing, wouldn't it be a good idea to consider doing the hepatic cytochrome P450 testing, as well (especially those taking abx or other meds)?

Here's how Bpeck explained the P450:

``Substance metabolism:
The P450 system is the name for a group of enzymes in the liver which breaks down substances that pass thru the liver. Most living organisms have this system. In humans- about 50% of the drugs we take are metabolixed thru this system.
(There are other drug metabolic pathways- but we'll stick to this one for this discussion).

``In some people, there are variations of how these enzymes work- that's why some people can take some drugs without a reaction and others can't - it's just they way certain individuals systems work.

``Then there's drug interactions at either inhibit for excellerate the metabolism of drugs - and even this can be affected by a persons genetic variation of the P450 system.''
 


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