Has anyone tried this surgery for weight loss or know anything about it?
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Posted by sammy (Member # 13952) on :
Weight loss surgery (lap band or gastric bypass) is not the answer. They are both invasive procedures with many many potential complications including death. Yes death, caused by infections, rejection of the band, scaring, malnutrition, etc. The commercials don't mention that part.
And the worst part...after a couple years you can easily gain all the weight back because your stomach gradually stretches out again!
The cheaper and safer way to loose weight (though probably the hardest way) is making healthy food choices, watching portions, and exercising.
Obviously lyme just complicates things as it always does. It throws our hormones out of balance and makes exercise impossible for some. The best we can do is keep trying. Keep aiming for better choices and healthier lifestyles.
Besides, surgery is trauma to the body. It would only make a sick person feel sicker.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I have a friend who did this. She lost a lot of weight, but she was on a very restrictive diet. I couldn't help but thinking that she would have lost the same weight if she had done the same diet without the surgery.
I don't think it's a good idea to do something like this when you're battling Lyme. I know it must be difficult dealing with the extra weight, but I think the additional stress to your body would be a bad idea when you're trying to rebuild your health.
I realize it's easy for me to say .... this babesia causes me a severe loss of appetite, so Lyme makes me lose weight ....
Posted by just don (Member # 1129) on :
Well there is a couple ways of looking at it.
IF one is unable to lose that weight in any other way,,,alot of times much excess weight reduces your lifespan big time anyway.
Sometimes its darn if you do and darn if you dont.
My former wife was a large size and getting larger by the year. Tried every darn diet and way,,,just had NO will power!! A few years ago had the bypass and had complications and darn near died doing it.
Then had the large section of skin removed and had complications and infection with that too.
Got it all straightened out and has lost way over 100 pounds. Now she looks like high school days. AND recently got married,,,for about 15 years didnt even so much as date!!
Was ALWAYS a obsessive person. Is a recovering alcholic and drug abuser. then after her weight was coming off traded THAT obsession with a gambling one!! ALMOST lost everything that way!!
So long story short,,have seen great things from doing it,,,have also heard that you CAN regain all the weight by restretching,,,a young lady I know did that!!
I am a fan of the "Biggest Loser" TV show. Yes the age old way of diet and excercise,,,you HAVE to retrain the mind,,,often a VERY hard or impossible thing to do!! Takes a village.
I do think that IF you see the biggest loser show it IS an inspiration and teaches correct thought's in eatting.
BIGGEST probs I see people do,,is the soda pop thing. WAAAAAY over the top 'over drinking' it and the sugar in it,,,its mind boogling how much in a years time.
Diet stuff is double bad since it has almost as much sugar and that god awful aspertame!!! I know people that say I drink diet soda so its ok,,,NO ITS NOT!!!
It turns to rat poison at even higher normal room temprature,,,which is EASY to get to in the summer,,,dont hear anyone talking about THAT!!!
And they sat pallets of that stuff on the desert sands and told our soldiers to drink alot,,,its hot here.
They OUGHT to have a congressional hearing about THAT fact and abuse of our soldiers!!
Long story short,,,if thats what it takes,,,I am all for it!!! YOUR decision to go that way,,,there is some counseling required for it,,,
its HARD and not an easy thing,,,but your health may very well deppend on it,,,dont carry too much excess weight ,
it can cost you big time!! VERY VERY FEW obese people live to an OLD age,,,think about it!!
They CAN make it to average life span but rarely over that!! get the weight OFF,,,no matter what it takes!!IB--just don--
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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I think that for those of us here with excess weight, a great deal of it may be due to inflammation and that may be due to infections or endocrine disruption as is common with lyme.
I'm swollen . . . puffed . . . but I eat barely enough to have gotten here just by excess calories or even by lack of exercise. I pass out standing up for very long, so my exercise is limited. . . still . . . inflammation can be very much related for those who have a good diet.
Eliminating perfumed products and limited exposure to even household chemicals can help the liver, BTW. They are endocrine disruptors.
And . . . we really need food to get well. Restricted caloric intake can cause other problems.
As hard as it is not to be trim, if we do the best we can we just have to know that is the best we can do.
Also, know that the ability to metabolize food has much to do with the liver and how well it works.
I see my puffiness not as a matter of will-power but as a medical problem that, with time, will get better. My lab tests for fats are far better than any of my doctor's regular patients, he says.
Best of luck. This is very hard and just know that you are doing the best you can (at least 98% of the time, et?).
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
Most adults need to consume between 2,000 and 3,000 calories a day.
etc.
FAT
On a 2,000-calorie-a-day diet, 600 calories can come from fat - that is, about 67 grams. This should be in a ratio of 1:2:1 of saturated to monounsaturated to polyunsaturated fat.
For omega-3 fatty acids, eat salmon (preferably fresh or frozen wild or canned sockeye), sardines packed in water or olive oil,
herring, and black cod (sablefish, butterfish); omega-3 fortified eggs; hemp seeds and flaxseeds (preferably freshly ground); or take a fish oil supplement (see below).
etc.
. PROTEIN
On a 2,000-calorie-a-day diet your daily intake of protein should be between 80 and 120 grams.
Eat less protein if you have liver or kidney problems, allergies, or autoimmune disease.
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[poster's note: he discusses getting much of our protein from legumes, etc. For reference, an egg has just 6 grams of protein.]
FIBER
Try to eat 40 grams of fiber a day.
- full article at link above.
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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This article may be of interest. It discusses the need for increased protein in order to heal.
Remember that food not only gives us energy, very specific functions require food. Real food that is - think of what you would eat before grocery stores and package "food" came to be.
[ 01. March 2008, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
Posted by just don (Member # 1129) on :
I forgot to say in previous post,,,that this IS my kids mother who HAD this done. At the time,(and they are all RN's) they were against doing this tooth and nail.
When I heard this was going to happen,,I wished her well and said I KNEW this was the right thing for her.(the gastric bypass).
Now I think the kids see what was needed to be done and support her decision,,,even tho it was touch and go there for awhile!!(unknown source of infection)
Exhaust ALL other options,,,THEN consider this!!Do you have a stationary bike?? How about a tread mill to walk on,,,even at a very slow rate,,,you HAVE to start someplace,,,build up endurance as energy permits.
the hikers walkers club on general board would be of tremendous support ,,,visit there,,,its a weekly post!!
It took a long time to put weight on,,,it is OKAY to take a long steady route to get it off also!!As little as a pound or two a week is progress,,,make it steady as she goes!!thinks--just don--
Posted by kam (Member # 3410) on :
Oprah had guests talking about this. You might be able to get the transcripts.
It is an individual choice and only a piece of the puzzle. AT least that is what I came up with after watching part of the show.
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
My mother had a similar surgery years ago but of course it was an older surgery so whatever they were using 20 years ago. She did lose weight but then almost died years later due to difficulties with the way the stomach was reduced. I can't remember all the details but the stitching or band or whatever they used came undone and she got an infection.
I've read that the size of the stomach affects leptin and some other hormones so reducing the size of the stomach may help due to that as well as reduced calorie intake.
I agree with Keebler, inflammation can be a big factor in weight gain and with difficulty getting it off. Other factors that I have identified for myself are edema, insulin resistance, biotoxins and toxins in general and lymph congestion.
According to my ND, toxins can be responsible for weight gain. From what I've read, biotoxins can cause an array of hormonal difficulties that may contribute to weight gain that is hard to lose including problems with leptin. Before embarking on the surgery you might want to consider using Dr. S's diet and biotoxin program. He has a book called "Lose the weight you hate".
The new book by the other Dr. S. "The Lyme Disease Solution" talks a lot about inflammation and lyme. He has an anti-inflammatory diet in his book. He states that 80% of lyme patients are either overweight or obese!! I haven't read the whole book yet so I'm not sure if he explains why further somewhere in the book.
Terry
Posted by cawpo (Member # 5744) on :
I checked with a doc about doing the lapband surgery. He said if you have Lyme disease, lapband surgery can not be done. Something about the bacteria and the band.
I know it is tough to lose any weight not feeling well and hardly being able to move.