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Looks like it is now available. Anybody taking it?
I'm no expert on herbs but I have done my share of reading. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't some of Nutramedix's formulas unusual?
For example Enula contains: Elecampane root extract Vitis tiliafolia stem extract Ipomoea jalapa root extract
Are the above 3 ingredients known anti-protozoals? Maybe they are but are not well known?
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Elecampane root Medicinal Action and Uses- Diuretic, tonic, diaphoretic, expectorant, alterative, antiseptic, astringent and gently stimulant. It was employed by the ancients in certain diseases of women, also in phthisis, in dropsy and in skin affections. Its name 'Scabwort' arose from the fact that a decoction of it is said to cure sheep affected with the scab, and the name 'Horse-heal' was given it from its reputed virtues in curing the cutaneous diseases of horses.
In herbal medicine it is chiefly used for coughs, consumption and other pulmonary complaints, being a favourite domestic remedy for bronchitis. It has been employed for many years with good results in chest affections, for which it is a valuable medicine as it is in all chronic diseases of the lungs asthma and bronchitis. It gives relief to the respiratory difficulties and assists expectoration. Its principal employment as a separate remedy is in acute catarrhal affections, and in dyspepsia attended with relaxation and debility, given in small, warm and frequently repeated doses. It is, however, seldom given alone, but most frequently preferred in combination with other medicines of a similar nature. It is best given in the form of decoction, the dose being a small teaspoonful, three times a day.
The root used not only to be candied and eaten as a sweetmeat, but lozenges were made of it. It has been employed in whooping-cough. It is sometimes employed in the form of a confection for piles, 1 OZ. of powdered root being mixed with 2 OZ. of honey.
In the United States, it has also been highly recommended, both for external use and internal administration in diseases of the skin, an old use of the root that has maintained its reputation for efficacy.
Externally applied, it is somewhat rubefacient, and has been employed as an embrocation in the treatment of sciatica, facial and other neuralgia.
Of late years, modern scientific research has proved that the claims of Elecampane to be a valuable remedy in pulmonary diseases has a solid basis. One authority, Korab, showed in 1885 that the active, bitter principle, Helenin, is such a powerful antiseptic and bactericide, that a few drops of a solution of 1 part in 10,000 immediately kills the ordinary bacterial organisms, being peculiarly destructive to the Tubercle bacillus. He gave it successfully in tubercular and catarrhal diarrhoeas, and praised it also as an antiseptic in surgery. In Spain it has been made use of as a surgical dressing. Obiol, in 1886, stated it to be an efficient local remedy in the treatment of diphtheria, the false membrane being painted with a solution of Helenin in Oil of Almond.
Ipomoea jalapa root Action, Medical Uses, and Dosage.--Jalap is an irritant and cathartic, operating energetically, occasioning profuse liquid stools with griping, and sometimes sickness at stomach, or even vomiting. Large doses produce violent hypercatharsis, sometimes terminating fatally. When applied to a wound, it is said to induce purgation. Notwithstanding its activity, it is a safe and convenient purgative, much in use among the profession, and is useful in all cases where it is desirable to produce an energetic influence on the bowels, or to obtain large evacuations. In intestinal inflammations it should not be used. United with the bitartrate of potassium, its hydragogue properties are much increased, and thus it proves beneficial in dropsies, as well as in some forms of scrofula. Jalap, however, is suitable for excitable, active conditions, and may be used where a cooling effect is desired, as when it is necessary to evacuate the bowels in febrile disorders. Inflammatory conditions of the biliary apparatus are exceptions to the rule that it should not be used in gastro-intestinal inflammations. When the rectum is impacted with a hard, fecal mass, the expulsion of the latter is facilitated by the purgative action of jalap, which greatly augments the intestinal secretions; all cases of constipation, due to dryness of the mucous membranes, through inactivity of the intestinal glands, are relieved by jalap. The dose for this latter purpose may be 5 grains in the morning, repeated for several days. When a stimulating laxative can not be used in hemorrhoids, jalap may be employed, and it is likewise efficient as a derivative in cerebral disorders. The antibilious physic (which see), or the following modifications (Locke) of it are very useful preparations: (1) Rx Powdered jalap, ℥viii; powdered senna, ℥xvi; powdered ginger, ℥i. Mix. Dose, a full teaspoonful in sweetened water; (2) Rx Jalap, ℥iij; potassium bitartrate, ℥vj; ginger, ℨii. Mix. Dose, 30 to 60 grains, in water, every 3 hours, as a hydragogue cathartic.
It is stated that the aqueous extract of jalap, the root having been previously exhausted of its resin by alcohol, will exert no cathartic influence, but will operate as a powerful diuretic, but I have not been able to procure this effect, though having made a trial in several cases (King). Three grains of jalap, taken an hour before each meal, act as a slight nauseant, destroying a desire for food among persons who are apt to eat too freely. If jalap is digested in ether, its nauseous taste and smell will be wholly removed without lessening its cathartic power. A biscuit is sometimes made for those to whom it is extremely nauseous and disagreeable; 5 drachms of jalap, 30 of sugar, and 4 ounces of flour, are made into 15 biscuits after the usual mode; 1 biscuit is a dose. The tendency of jalap to gripe and nauseate, may be obviated by adding to the dose 1 or 2 grains of camphor, or 3 grains of cloves. The dose of powdered jalap is from 10 to 30 grains (the aqueous extract ought not to be used, except as a diuretic); of the tincture, from 1 to 4 fluid drachms; the resin, or alcoholic extract, is given in from 2 to 8-grain doses, being usually rubbed up with sugar, or in emulsion, for the purpose of lessening its disposition to produce painful irritation of the intestinal mucous membrane. As a hydragogue, 2 drachms of the bitartrate of potassium are added to 10 or 30 grains of pulverized jalap. Convolvulin (rhodeoretin) purges violently in 3 or 4-grain doses, and appears to be the active principle of jalap. Specific jalap, 10 to 20 drops every 4 hours for its specific uses. Though not an anthelmintic, jalap is often given to hasten the expulsion of worm, after agents have been given for their stupefaction or destruction.
Couldn't find much on Vitis tiliafolia other then it's in some Jamaican health drinks (roots tonics).
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This is the new one that hits Babesia, right?
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Thanks Sparkle7. There's some good info in your post. It would also be nice to see lab trials for those herbs such as the ones seen for herbs like Uncaria, Artemisia, etc. The herbs in Cumanda and Enula seem to be based more on anecdotal evidence rather than scientific evidence. But maybe anecdotal evidence is good enough. If it works ... it works!
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I was just prescribed Enula too. Have not gotten it yet. Anyone on it? Any affects or herxes?
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I am using it. Have been for about a week. No notable herx so far at 1 dropper twice a day. I am looking forward to hearing from people on their experiences. Be well
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Maybe we could do some similar analysis of motivations, etc. of several of the large drug companies as well? I have a feeling that we would find much more of interest there... Take a look at the book "Death in the Air". Interesting stuff...
I think the approach that Nutramedix takes of trying to ensure that a client is working with a licensed practitioner makes sense. I don't think anyone with LD should be treating themselves and everyone should have a practitioner involved in those decisions.
I also know that several LLMDs are using Nutramedix products with good results in the patient practices.
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At vitacost.com you can get many brands of pharmaceutical grade supplements that require (in my opinion) the advise of a Dr.(Cat's claw, artemisinin to name a couple)
I use Samento right now (with my Lyme Dr's blessing) and plan to use more Nutramedix products in the future.
In fact, I was very exicted about the article in last months Public Health Alert about their products, both new and old. I told my Lyme Dr. about the article yesterday. Well, done, Scott.
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Scott & Sixgoofy,
Sorry if this is a totally stupid question:
When you say that you're using "1 dropper twice a day" approx how many drops in one dropper?
I'm taking Cumanda and doing 30 DROPS 2X a day. I just want to make sure that I understood that's what you guys wrote re: Cumanda and not 6 DROPPERS 2X a day?
As you know, the actual drops come out randomly, so it's not really precise but a full dropper would be if that equals a certain amount of drops.
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If you're going to treat with herbs you should be under the care of an experienced herbalist, not an LLMD with a traditional medicine training. They won't know.
And you don't know which p450 pathways the herbs use and how their contraindications mix together. You have no idea what your own vulnerabilites may be to a mixture. Some of the formulas are single herbs and some are multiple mixtures.
I agree with Fin but people do what they want, after all.
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