are there things out there that look exactly like yeast but aren't yeast?
this crap is poisoning me. the sobbing shaking/speech problems/violent retching thing and this crap i'm scraping off my tongue they're not related?
anyone!?
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
I have the same problem (white coating - nothing grows though), and ever since I took minocycline, even though I'm not taking it any longer, my teeth accumulate a grey coating that can only be removed with a dental tool - not a toothbrush. I think it's metals.
Like the dying bats, I was emaciated, but otherwise healthy (according to my doctors). I also feel extreme tension in my lower jaw especially - almost like there is a thick rubber band around my lower teeth pulling them upwards. When I lay down, the tension is still there, but it feels like the rubber band is being pulled in another direction.
Whatever is going on with the dying bats though, I have something similar. And I know I have microwave sickness. Bats are closer to humans biologically than rats or mice are, too.
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
I think I've read some of your prior posts on severe yeast and meant to write at the time have you tried pau d'arco tea? You should be able to get the leaves in a health food store/bulk section.
I assume you are already doing probiotics, yogurt, no sugar/yeast/flour/alcohol, etc.
Also, some have recommended oil pulling for mouth stuff.
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
Test or no test, it is almost certainly a fungus of some kind.
I assume you are, on or have been on antibiotics recently?
You can probably get rid of it by rinsing with either Oil of Oregano or MMS diluted with water.
It likely goes farther than just the tongue.
I hope you can get rid of it.
D Bergy
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Guess what? Lab tests are OFTEN inaccurate!! Especially those for yeast!!
Do the diet, take the probiotics, get some Diflucan and Nystatin and treat it as though it's yeast.
I think you'll see a difference!
DIET, DIET, DIET is the key. Then, be sure to follow the 5 step plan outlined below. It was developed by my naturopath. It works.
"Successful control and elminiation of a Candida Albicans overgrowth requires a multifaceted program as described below. Failure to follow ALL the steps simultaneously will result in slow progress and will lengthen healing time significantly. The program should be tailored to the individual and must balance the need to eliminate the Candida and deprive it of its food source while insuring proper nutrition for the individual."
Five Steps to Candida Elimination:
1. You must starve it into submission by eliminating its food source.
2. You must kill it with anti-fungal herbs and supplements. [e.g....garlic, onion, caprylic acid, Pau D'Arco capsules or tea, clove, grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, tea tree oil, Echinacea, Goldenseal, black walnut, MSM, barberry root, uva ursi, neem leaf, biotin]
3. You must reestablish the proper balance and quantity of probiotic bacteria in the digestive tract. [...multi-strain lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidus capsules with FOS should be taken between meals to maximize repopulation of the digestive tract by beneficial bacteria.]
4. You must reestablish proper levels of all B vitamins (yeast free) and utilize other immune enhancing supplements to boost immune system function. [e.g ... B complex vitamins (yeast free), biotin, beta 1-3 glucan, colostrum, maitake mushroom, vitamins A, C, E, zinc and selenium]
5. You must cleanse and heal the digestive tract to promote proper elimination of toxins and Candida and assimilation of nutrients. [e.g...chlorophyll, MSM, omega 3 fatty acids found in flax seed and salmon oils, GLA found in borage, evening primrose and black currant oils. Pantothenic acid, digestive enzymes between meals]
Posted by cantgiveupyet (Member # 8165) on :
Hey,
I was looking at lab results I had done in December for a bunch of stuff, one of them was a Candida(yeast) antibody test.
It was done at Quest via blood sample, at the bottom of the results, it said something like
immuno suppresed patients may not show a positive test, also if Candida is overwhelming the body it might show negative. I think this might be a new statement, I havent noticed it before with this test.
What Lab did your oral culture? Some of the non albicans yeast take much longer to grow out on culture. My gyno has them sit for 2 weeks at Quest.
If it is non albicans strain, difflucan wont work, you will need one of the heavy hitters, like nazarol, vfend etc, nazarol worked for me.
Posted by Gabrielle (Member # 5329) on :
I have this since years and all my candida tests (inluding culture) came back negative. I tried Nystatin, Diflucan, Amphotericin and tons of alternative products incl. oil of oregano and NONE of them made the tiniest difference to the better. Diet also doesn't influence it.
Oral nystatin (with sugar in it) made it even worse - that's why I think it's bacterial.
When I was without abx for 6 months it got much better but never went away completely.
The only thing that ever made it much better was Biaxin - strange, isn't it? If it was yeast it shouldn't become better with an abx.
Gabrielle
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
Start pounding down a good probiotic triple normal doses. eat yogurt.
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
White spots and patches and coating of the tongue are an indication of several medical conditions. There are likely to be other possible causes, so ask your doctor about your symptoms:
A side effect of broad spectrum antibiotics Oral candidiasis Candidiasis Dehydration Leukoplakia - white tongue or mouth lining Keratosis pharynges - white lumps on the tonsils Jaundice (which causes a yellow tongue) ``Lie bumps'' - small dots, usually at the tip of the tongue Alcohol Smoking Oral thrush Steroid inhalers Fluticasone asthma puffers Immunosuppression and immunosuppressive medications Chronic illness AIDS Malignancies Epstein-Barr virus Systemic Lupus Erythematosus Mechanical trauma to tongue Oral manifestations of skin conditions Oral lichen planus
If the tongue is in good health we can enjoy various tastes, and if digestion is good, it mirrors itself by a healthy, clean and pink tongue.
Apart from the conditions listed above, this problem can also be caused by hot spicy food; excessive use of same taste, like sweet, sour, salty, etc.; very hot beverages like tea, coffee, etc.; smoking, chewing tobacco, prolonged fever, illness, indigestion and constipation.
Posted by CatWoman (Member # 10900) on :
thanks for the replies, i take VSL#3, florastor, and threelac for probiotics. I am on the candida diet. my doctor just told me it is not unusual to have yeast but have negative cultures.
i will look into the pau d'arco tea. never thought of that.
my doc said the crying/shaking etc is an automonic response. does anyone know anything about this? he said the word dysautonomia.
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
All my GI tests and swabs of tongue say no yeast. I've done probiotics of some brand for years. I've only been on Theralac for about 4 mths.
But coating on my tongue has always been more yellowish. I haven't had a healthy tongue in many years. It does improve, but only to get sick looking again.
I also have deep ridges on the sides of my tongue which indicate swelling of the tongue. I have a deep split down the center of my tongue that is not a healthy sign either.
I used to scrap and scrap tongue. Used all types of stuff to help eliminate it. It didn't matter what I tried it was still coated. I finally started brushing and scraping everyday with peroxide and that helped. But....
It wasn't until I started using specific protocols with my rife machine that I could see a difference in my tongue. I believe it was strep and staph. I need to go thru my file to read my notes.
Strep and staph are part of my usual protocol of fighting the bad guys. Remember all of us are not really sure who all the bad guys are that are in OUR specific bodies and resistant to treatment.
Part of the reason I call it lyme & company. Tick borne illnesses usually have alot of company besides the lyme, bart, babs, etc known co-infections.
Many of these bad guys help keep the immune system down and out. It's a perfect world for lyme bacteria when it can have numerous bacteria and virus helping them keep the body down.
Pam
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
CatWoman....Next time you buy a probiotic, try THERALAC instead of Threelac. You will probably notice a big difference.
Also...beware of yogurt. Most of it contains too much sugar.
Are you eating sugar-free candy or cookies?? That can also create yeast.
I use a probiotic called Dr. Ohhira's Probiotic12 Plus. It contains a proprietary blend of 12 strains of live lactic acid bacteria, it's made of a fermented paste and it comes in capsule form.
I am not affiliated with the company, I've just had a good experience with their product.
I agree with others, it is likely yeast and testing is NOT telling you what's really going on. Do you diary your food, sleep, meds, and symptoms? You might start to see a connection between certain foods, etc and the tongue situation, however so slight. If you start to see a slight change based on diet, then you will know what direction to go in.
Posted by CamB (Member # 14999) on :
have you all ever heard of rocking vertigo (as if on a boat or in a hammock) being caused by yeast issues? My mother has tingling pelvis, white tongue so she has yeast issues. But also a rocking vertigo which we cannot figure out. What in the world is causing this? I know yeast can make you dizzy, but sever long-term vertigo?
Posted by CatWoman (Member # 10900) on :
no sugar-free candy or cookies or anything like that. i am not eating yogurt just the VSL. I thought threelac was good? seems like there is some divide on this issue.
the food diary is a very good idea.
CamB, I'm sorry I don't know about the rocking vertigo. I am really sorry to hear your mother is so sick!
Posted by ralph (Member # 9189) on :
Best reference I have seen / used is: "Conquer Candida and Restore Your Immune System" by Jack Tips.
Antibiotics kill the good bacteria, as you know, and then then the yeast grows quickly. Consantly killing the yeast and trying to starve it do not seem as important as changing the internal terrain. Changing the terrain makes an inhospitable environment and the yeast is less likely to thrive there.
Some herbals are very effective. Many of the drugs for yeast are pretty tough on the body.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by catskillmamala: I use a probiotic called Dr. Ohhira's Probiotic12 Plus. It contains a proprietary blend of 12 strains of live lactic acid bacteria, it's made of a fermented paste and it comes in capsule form.
That's pretty good stuff too! Have you ever just put them in your mouth and sucked on them? They actually taste good!!
Another great product is NuFerm's "Wholefoods with Probiotics" .. you have to mix it in water, but I think it's really good stuff! www.livingfoodsusa.com
I like to mix them around, but the mainstay is Theralac for me.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by CamB: I know yeast can make you dizzy, but sever long-term vertigo?
Does she have Lyme disease? Many here have vertigo from lyme, bartonella, or babesia. I don't know which of the three is the most likely to cause it.
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