Hi I'm researching a paper and possibly a book about M�nchhausen syndrome, a tangent issue is confirmation of diseases and false positives. Is there a test that can positively confirm lyme disease? What are the chances of false positives? Could a subject take some action to fake a positive result?
Posted by Lymen (Member # 6882) on :
I hate trolls
[ 27. March 2008, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: Lymen ]
Posted by Geneal (Member # 10375) on :
There is no 100% accurate test.
That is why it is a clinical diagnosis.
And no you can't be a malingerer....or fake/alter or attempt to create
A positive Lyme disease test.
There are some bands that do cross react with other virus'....then there are many
That are Lyme specific.
Be careful in including Lyme disease in this topic.
It is a very serious charge against someone....one that
Can result in children being taken away and parents being arrested.
If I may gently suggest....maybe other illnesses would be better suited for this topic.
We have enough controversy and persecution just trying to prove we are sick.
Imagine trying to prove that about your children.
Hugs,
Geneal
Posted by roro (Member # 13383) on :
munchhausen is something psychiatrists have invented to label people who are ill, but the dr's dont know why. dr's think they are gods, so if they dont know something, then it must be a mental illness of the patients
there was a 10 year study done on hypochondriacs, and by 5 years 50% were finally diagnosed with physical illness, by 10 years 99%
real hypochondria is very rare. most patients labelled as hypochondriac and probably all mental illness, really represent the incompetance of the dr's and their unwillingness to admit they do not know everything.
no offense, but this is going to be a very unpopular topic around here. people are probably going to acuse you of being a troll
and to answer your question, absolutely NOT. no one can fake a positive test, not for lyme or any other test for that matter. the idea is absurd.
its bad enough that people with normal tests are not believed when they are ill, but now even with positive tests they are somehow going to be acused of faking the test, and having some supernatural power to make it come out positive?
no one wants to be sick
Posted by adamm (Member # 11910) on :
This diagnosis has been used
by those suppressing
the truth about Lyme to defame, discredit, and ruin the lives of
their opponents on multiple occasions.
[ 26. March 2008, 10:24 PM: Message edited by: adamm ]
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
Maybe you should go to a cancer forum and bring up the same subject? They're probably just faking it.
Posted by ICEiam (Member # 7519) on :
Just the thought of a paper about faking a Lyme test sickens and disgusts me. Who would want to fake this life stealing disease? Maybe you should go to an AIDS forum and ask those that have full blown AIDS if their tests were faked so they could get attention.
I wouldn't wish this disease on my worst enemy but there are a few I would be willing to let experience it for a month or two. You might fit into that category.
Go find another type of forum, you won't get any help here. I am one of the people that have been acused over and over of "making" my daughter sick. Yes, I have made my 27 year old daughter experience the pain and suffering she has gone though for the past 16 years, just for the fun of it.
Go away!!!
[ 26. March 2008, 11:46 PM: Message edited by: ICEiam ]
Posted by kelmo (Member # 8797) on :
Turkey Lurky!
Posted by luvdogs (Member # 9507) on :
I think you're full of crap.
I don't believe that you are writing a paper or book on this and you are just trying to **** people off.
You're obviously too stupid to write a paper.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by luvdogs: I think you're full of crap.
I don't believe that you are writing a paper or book on this and you are just trying to **** people off.
You're obviously too stupid to write a paper.
Posted by kbholley (Member # 12938) on :
If you want information about M�nchhausen syndrome, and M�nchhausen syndrome by proxy, go look it up in the library. There are plenty of case studys that you can use, besides Lyme Disease. We have enough problems trying to get treatment without people like you stirring the pot.
And besides, I really don't think that you are writing a paper, you sound like the type of person who would take information from random people in an attempt to make a case against someone you are trying to get even with or maybe you are trying to prove something to get your children back if you have any. And that is really sad to be that type of person.
There are several test that are proven to provide positive results and they can't be faked, because they won't be positive unless you have lyme disease.
Get real Posted by knshore (Member # 13451) on :
Get a LIFE!!!!! Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
....It's perfecly possible for somebody to fake being a researcher...or a doctor....probably easier than faking a TBD diagnosis.
Posted by peter j (Member # 11825) on :
The problem with lyme is underdiagnosing. And doctors who holds the IDSA guidelines as their religion.
Posted by daise (Member # 13622) on :
lurky,
Who do you work for?
daise
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
show your face and I'll fix it for you!
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
i suggest you do some updated research before working on a book on this subject; munchhausen's syndrome does not exist as a bonified mental illness. it is listed in psychiatric manuals under "factitious disorder" - not as a real diagnosis unto itself. the manual indicates further research is in order.
the same goes for "munchhausen's by proxy"
both terms have been publicly defunked in europe, but some continue to refer to the disorder in the u.s.
besides, if someone were to get a "fase positive" test, i don't see how the patient could be suspect of hypochondria.
in lyme disease, i believe false positives are rare. antigen or antibody tests indicate whether an immune response to specific bacteria is or was present in the patient, and pcr tests pick up proof positive dna evidence of organisms in blood, tissue, or spinal fluid.
diagnosis and possible treatment of tick-borne disease takes all test results into account, obviously then applying that data to clinical impressions and many other factors.
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