I think I've been having emotional herxes lately. Really only the second time I've seemed to have these extreme ones. I've had mood swings before, but these are different. And I'm on Bactrim and Diflucan.
Anyone else have emotional herxes?
Today's was extreme. I was crying most of the day, but then I'd get angry at something as stupid as a commercial and end up yelling. Got mad enough I was throwing things. Then later, I got intense feelings of love and happiness. Very weird.
My emotions were all over the place today.
Familiar? Sound like an emotional herx?
Thanks!
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Posted by jblral (Member # 8836) on :
Yes, sounds familiar. My family member used to fly into wild rages when she herxed.
Posted by Clarissa (Member # 4715) on :
I've never thrown things but I sure have fantasized about it. The only thing that stops me is the thought of cleaning the mess up afterwards.
Bart had/has me on an emotional roller coasted: anxious, manic, depressed, rageful, irritable, intolerance of other people, etc.
I think this is normal. Have you read Wildcondor.com's Lyme story? She talks about throwing things and having horrible rageful fits. She describes it quite well and it might not make you feel so alone.
You are NOT alone...I'm right there with you. Highs, lows, happiness, darkness, rage and then heart-racing anxiety. It's total hell.
Kill that Bart, KILL IT INTO THE GROUND!!!!
Hang in there... Posted by scared08 (Member # 14695) on :
I'm so sorry! How frustrating and scary. Yes, I've spoke to many that have had this type of reaction! You're not alone!
I would immeidiatly contact your Dr., as he/she may lower your dosage of change your antibiotic.
You also may want to see a Psyhriatist that is well versed in Lyme Dis.
My son had this exact type of reaction! He's 13 and he wanted to die in the morning, but was was happy that night.
I've had different reactions this time too. I get much more frustertated, and have lost a lot of the patiecne I used to have!
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Oh, yes. My 19 year old daughter was laughing about this one last weekend when I saw her at her college.
Last summer, I got mad at how things were in the pantry, threw it all out, then told the kids to pick it up. She said she was standing right outside the room because she was laughing at me and didn't want me to see her and go further into Lyme rage.
This kind of thing always happened right before a herx. I'd have crying spells right before a herx, too.
I'm just glad my family saw the humor in it.
I always said, if it weren't for the cognitive issues, Lyme would be just pain and fatigue ... the cognitive stuff keeps it interesting. Posted by Kado (Member # 4731) on :
I can relate.
I have severe emotional changes-- even when I haven't altered my med.s.
I often have intense prolonged PMS, so it's common for me to be an emotional roller coaster 2 weeks out of the month. (ovulation to menses)
Just yesterday, I was on the phone with my mother- I was overly emotional- the trigger was my period and I was feeling overwhelmed that I haven't been able to manage my symptoms for the past 9 years.
I confessed some of my symptoms to my mother in a moment of weakness, and then freaked out that I confessed my troubles, and feared that she would relay my personal challenges to people with whom I don't know.
I called her back and asked that she not share this with anyone. She acted surprised that I would have thought that she would do such a thing. When I cited ex.s and reasons for why she would share such info.-- She said I called her a "blabbermouth" and began crying.
Then later last night I was with some friends. My friend E was asking my friend M (who is also my x), why he didn't want children. I mentioned that the fact that he was sure that he didn't want kids was one reason that we decided not to stay a couple.
He said, it was that, and that I was annoying.
I tried to be objective about his comment, but I was feeling too emotional. I was hiding in my friend's bathroom crying hoping no one could hear me.
As M and I were leaving he apologized and said that he loved me and didn't mean it. He gave me a hug but I still couldn't stop crying.
I've been feeling completely overwhelmed-- I have so many symptoms that I'd like to improve, and I feel exhausted from all the past efforts. Right now I feel ready to leave my school work, house cleaning, bills, and future treatment ideas, and hide under the covers:)
My point: I'm going through it too!
It's too bad that we're going through this, but at least we have one another.
Cheers!
Kado
Posted by KauaiGoddess (Member # 11782) on :
Aloha,
I'm in on this one too!
Not fun at all!
From ovulation to period is NOT fun (prolonged PMS), as Kado said...
As I'm killing the BART, just came out of a bart herx- I really explode in my head and emotions...anxiety goes off the charts!
Just knowing that this is really not me and that it will end...being able to identify it as a nasty cycle (that is getting better) helps....
these posts really help to, knowing that we're not alone in these feelings...very comforting..
sitting by the ocean, or in nature really helps me get out of my head....or allows me to release my emotions and not direct them at anyone...
YOga & meditation really help me too...
much love~ Fawne
Posted by Clarissa (Member # 4715) on :
The whole ovulation to menses thing is the MAIN reason I revisited coinfections testing (after being treated for Lyme 6-years ago).
Cut to: I found out that I had Bart AND Babs (sigh). Most of my symptoms were gone from Lyme treatment but it was those damn 2-weeks (1/2 my life) that made me realize something was still dreadfully wrong.
It's definitely getting better with Bart treatment, tho. It's now more like the week before, slowing whittling its way down to a few days before...
let there be light!!
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
Ahhhh! Interesting. I can relate to this. Sometimes it becomes so normal I don't even really realize it may be a herx!
Yesterday I was totally depressed in the morning, went to work out, and on the drive home was filled with joy and happiness.....but with a sort of "edge" to it..kind of anxiously happy if that makes sense. And then it changed yet again in the PM....I was irritated by silly things, like there being no creamer in the fridge when I wanted it. Bizarro!
Posted by breezywings (Member # 9222) on :
I am afraid that I can relate to this one totally. I have been treating on and off for the past 10 years and some of the herxes that I have had, I was quite sure I would lose my husband.
He is a strong man to have endured lyme rages.
Sometimes I thought it must not be lyme that I must just be crazy.
Thank goodness my LLMD dx'd me with co-infections and we are addressing those.
Been there done that, got the tee-shirt stuffed in the back of the closet.
Posted by njlymemom (Member # 15088) on :
yes, i can also relate to this....just horrible isn't it....
just curious, how many here have coinfection with bartonella? i think bart plays a big part in this....only one of my 3 kids has this co-infection...and she is the one that shares this symptom with me....
Posted by GenaD (Member # 11988) on :
I have said this in another thread I think, but my LLMD said that Bart is mainly responsible for the emotional insanity we go through (the depression and anxiety).
He also called Bartonella "The Divorce Maker." He said when one partner has Bart relationships suffer big-time (the rages, lack of insight, bad decisions). He said if BOTH partners suffer with Bart, it's a complete mess.
Sorry to be so negative! But at least it's the Bart and NOT us!!
Posted by LocalMan (Member # 11648) on :
I am glad to see this post, as my emotions have been going ape**** lately, turning on a dime from relativ well-being (crappy) to insane depression and hopelessness with only minor triggers, or none at all. The depression can really be crushing.
I am being reated for bart and babs, but had to drop levaquin last week due to possible tendon issues...I am fearful that septra alone will not be enough to keep bart at bay. Also been on and off doxy in last month (sun issues), just switched to minocycline. Anyway I have gone from thinking I was in some kind of control to barely able to think at all.
lm
Posted by terri3boys (Member # 12993) on :
WOW!!! Do I feel better after reading this thread! I am having so many emotional issues ------
suddenly crying out of the blue or flying into a rage over nothing (or at least something extremely trivial)
or the sudden irritability or anger over ?????? or feeling overwhelmed to the point of wanting to get in my car and just start driving to get away from EVERYTHING............
I've even come very close to grabbing something and just smashing it to pieces! I still want to do that, actually.
About 3 months ago, I went into my room and started pounding my fists on the wall and I was screaming "Everybody just leave me alone!!! There's NO privacy in this house!!!!"
Not a good idea............
I'll be back..................
Posted by NMN (Member # 11007) on :
I get this too quite a bit. I'm always fine in the evenings. I think I need to hit the Bart again. The emotional ups and downs are a nightmare at times.
Posted by terri3boys (Member # 12993) on :
What if you HAVEN'T tested positive for Bart? I know that the blood tests can be unreliable, but what's the next step?
Try treatment for it anyway? What's the best abx for bart? I'm on doxy for Lyme (and or whatever!)
Thanks,
terri3boys
Posted by BetterInPortland (Member # 14683) on :
These stories ring true for me as well.
One other thing to possibly look into is secondary porphyria due to infection. There is some good info on the cpnhelp.org website under their patient handbook tab at the top left of the main page. It's something that can be picked up in lab testing and has specific protocols to alleviate.
I'm just learning about this now. It would be so great to be able to mitigate these symptoms!
Posted by lorenzfam (Member # 14938) on :
I haven't found out my test results yet, but from what I have read, I have Bart.
I have been suffering for YEARS with PMS...going into rages right before menses...even ended up in jail (please don't hold it against me). As soon as I would start my menses I would be fine.
I always knew that something wasn't quite right with the hormones, but no doctors could diagnose anything (surprise, surprise).
I am glad to know that I am not the only one and also glad to finally know what's wrong with me. Hopefully the tests with show up accurately to what I know is the cause of all this drama.
Everybody hang in there! I have a lot of bad days, but a few good that keep me going. Let's keep praying for each other!!! Posted by Rianna (Member # 11038) on :
Just revisititing this old post as I was having some really rages during menses and was searching for similar experiences.
I am treating Bart and wondered if that was the connection why these rages/tempers had got so wild - nice to see it really does seem bart related.
So hopefully if I keep treating the Bart this will diminish also - I'm actually laughing now as Ive been a nightmare during menses this month and my poor hubby thinks he has the wrong women in the house
Rianna
Posted by Clarissa (Member # 4715) on :
Hey Ria,
PMS from HELL was the MAIN reason I revisted Lyme in 2007 after 3 1/2 years of remission.
It was getting ridiculous. I was Jekyl/Hyde and it would start TWO weeks before menses. That's 50% of my life (my bfriend at the time pointed out).
I think this is totally, 100% normal so don't be disheartened! You're doing SO well and this is just another gift that Bart keeps on giving with we women.
My pms has gotten SO much better...to the point that it took me off guard when I got my P the other day. Usually I'd be on my knees, praying to the Lord to make the hell end and let my menses start already!
I had no pre-eymptoms and just some minor cramping during. Treating the illness will HELP the pms and the menses.
Just takes time...but I don't have to tell YOU that.
Much Love,
Posted by laura j (Member # 14257) on :
YES, I had that! I don't miss it and neither does my husband.
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