i noticed that when i stare at a white background or blue sky i can actually see something that looks like spirochetes floating across my eyes. has anyone experienced this?? it gives me the creeps thinking what im seeing are spirochetes!
Posted by roro (Member # 13383) on :
dont worry they are not spirochetes. spirochetes are mocroscopic, too small to see.
what you are seeing is called floaters
Posted by blackcat (Member # 9881) on :
no, i have floaters also. what i am seeing is different. it truly looks like some kind of spirochete or worm. god, maybe some strange co-infection! my vision has been getting worse since this has started. i dunno. oh well, just another weird symptom to learn to live with.... thanks for your replying.
Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
sounds like MORGELLON'S...
do a search on it here; go to type and click on search.
morgellons medical topic line any date leave membership no. blank; hit send
read all posts/replies ... you'll learn alot; some posts have PHOTOS!
Posted by Dawnee (Member # 15089) on :
I don't see anything like that (because mainly I don't WANT to even try lol) but I do have almost daily occurances of feeling like something is squirming around in my eyeball, like in my lower eyelid. I keep hoping it's just some sort of twitching making it feel like a wriggling..thing. It's creepy and I don't know what on earth to do about it.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by roro: dont worry they are not spirochetes. spirochetes are mocroscopic, too small to see.
what you are seeing is called floaters
For sure!
Morgellons?? I don't think so!! Posted by Karol (Member # 15831) on :
You guys are so smart.
Off to Google Morgellons, what the heck are they?
I will be back. Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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Okay, will someone be around to pick up Karol after she googles morgellons ?
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I get those tiny swirling, circling streams of light, too, when I'm unfocused and just staring at the cloudy sky.
However, I once asked an acupuncturist about that - just off the cuff - and he said he gets that, too. He does not have any tick-borne stuff at all.
Spirochetes would spring and dart if we could see them but they are too small for the naked eye.
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Posted by Hoosiers51 (Member # 15759) on :
Sometimes I see things that look JUST like spirochetes too........but I don't know if they are. It even seems like sometimes they are moving, not floating, but like, writhing around. and twitching. I have heard of other people saying they see them too. BUT, i am still unconvinced. I know floaters can take a shape that looks exactly like spirochetes to you and me.
It used to really discourage me, if they actually are, but I have learned to let it go. I worry more about how I feel. But I can definitely understand how it would freak you out.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Keebler: Okay, will someone be around to pick up Karol after she googles morgellons ?
Hoosier... You got it.
Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
I get this as well and have heard from other lymies who do as well.
Not sure what it is though.
Posted by Peter B. (Member # 15405) on :
Karol, You have floaters. I had the same many years before running into Lyme. It is a scary experience, but not medically significant according to the doctors I have ask about it. Peter B.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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While this may be minimal, you might want to see your eye doctor.
If floaters appear suddenly, my eye doctor tells me to go in and let them have a look. For me, usually they no big deal and go away in a few days, especially with increased antioxidants - like blueberries.
Your eye doctor can teach you what to look for should these require an immediate visit.
Hypnosis - this has been used to treat floaters, but it is recommended that you find a licensed hypno-therapist that has experience in this area.
Micro Current Stimulator - this machine is used to stimulate specific acupuncture points (BL1, KI6, LV3, LV14, LI4 and Tai Yang). You can purchase the stimulator online and the device comes with instructions.
Ancient Chinese Solutions - such as acupuncture and accu-pressure have been found to have some benefits for the treatment of eye floaters.
Antioxidant Eye Supplements - have been commonly used for decades in order to reverse eye floaters, they can be purchased online, or at health food stores.
Herbal Treatments And Dietary Supplements
MSM Drops (methylsulfonylmethane)- helps to remove eye floaters by easing the passage of nutrients though optical tissue. MSM is a sulfur compound that the adrenal glands naturally produce and that can be found in most fruits, vegetables and grains.
Serrapeptase Enzyme - this enzyme is uses to clear out the eye by digesting debris, blood clots and dead tissue.
Taurine -this is an antioxidant that stimulates the body to rid itself of waste `by-products'' that accumulate in the eye.
Magnesium, Vitamin A, DHA, and Selenium - these are all linked to improving vision and supporting eye health.
Lutein and Zeaxanthin - these are ``free-radical'' scavengers, and also help to filter light to the eye. .
Gingko, Lysine and Bilberry- promotes blood flow to the vessels in the eye.
Other supplements
Bupleurem, White Peony, Tree Peony, Dong Guai, Poria, Atractylodes, Ginger, Gardenia, Licorice, Coleus, Milk Thistle,
Dandelion, Eyebright and Hoelen are all associated with promoting eye health and healing vision conditions including eye floaters.
Nutrition and Lifestyle
- at link
Final Words About Eye Floaters
The majority of floaters in the eye are harmless, considered to be a natural part of the aging process and will resolve themselves without requiring any treatment.
A cure for eye floaters is available through a variety of non surgical, dietary, nutritional and lifestyle options.
In rare cases, eye floaters can be a sign of more serious problems and you should consult your physician to schedule an appointment and determine what surgical options may be available to treat floaters in the eye.
- full article, links at site.
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A google search of "floaters, antioxidants" also brings up more links.
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Posted by amk33 (Member # 13206) on :
I believe that the eye works much like a telescope or microscope. Light that enters the eye is refracted and the image is inverted onto the retina. See link: http://camillasenior.homestead.com/optics4.html
At the focal point where the image is being inverted (just past the lense in the vitreous humor), any object casting a shadow would be greatly magnified onto the retina.
Thus, I believe that it is possible to have floaters that are actually bacteria or parasites. I have long ones that curl, and actually look like worms.
They cannot be pieces of my eye that have sloughed off due to inflamation. I do have those, as well-they are clumps of dark matter. But, I think the ones we are talking about are definately something else.
Posted by blackcat (Member # 9881) on :
AMK33, i think you are absolutely correct when you talk about the eye and how something casting a shadow might be magnified.
i truly believe what i am seeing are spirochetes. the shapes i see are worm like and sometime coil and have a darker circle on one end. is this similar to what you are seeing AMK? thank you for explaining how the eye can see something so tiny.
i couldnt understand how i was seeing this myself since spirochetes are microscopic. what i see is almost like looking at these things under a microscope.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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these shapes are also what typical floaters can look like. They can vary from squigles to hair-like, lint-like, or globs and specs.
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Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I have the exact thing you are talking about .... looks like spirochetes even with the spiral shape. I also have one that looks like a little round speck, but thicker than the spiral.
It looks exactly like the pictures of spirochetes/cysts.
I have no idea what they are .... I've had them for years .... they have not gone away with treatment.
Posted by groovy2 (Member # 6304) on :
Floaters-
Posted by WildCondor (Member # 434) on :
Try not to freak out, this is VERY common. Posted by cjnelson (Member # 12928) on :
i truly believe what i am seeing are spirochetes. the shapes i see are worm like and sometime coil and have a darker circle on one end.
I agree! Mine even have multiple ones around one another and they change shape, location, etc but not like the "floaters" I see also. These also have the darker circle at one end and sometimes I even see the cyst shape.
my dd sees them too. I asked her one day to draw them as she is an excellent artist and they were exactly what I see and exactly like the pixs I have seen of the Bb. BTW I have NEVER shown her pixs of Bb in any form!!!!! So she has no reference point whatsoever!
My question is this...
If the medical community doesnt have any more idea on this disease than they do and we are continuing to do all this guess work with treatment - and yes I do believe alot of it is guesswork - if there was a magic "cure" or bullet
out there for it, it would be out and millions and millions would be made (I believe that is exactly why it is not more "open" a disease because there isnt and the panic would be huge!)
ok, off tanget!! LOL
so how can any dr or individual say FOR SURE this is not the spirochete? They do KNOW that it gets in the eyes and its one of the hardest places to rid!
just my 2 cents...I know not worth a whole lot!
Posted by amk33 (Member # 13206) on :
I have been thinking about this for quite some time. If it were just cells, why would they be in this spiral form? It doesn't make sense.
For some time I was thinking that it was spirochetes, but so many people were saying that they were too small-that this would be impossible.
So, I was thinking they may be a type of microfilial parasite (see river blindness). Either way, I know that it is something foreign, and not from inflammation.
I am going for an eye appointment this week. Someone once said that the opthamologist can actually see the floaters when they dilate your eyes-that they were that large. I am going to ask him if he sees them, and, if so, what they look like. If he does not see the spiral forms, the mystery continues.
Then, I guess the only way to tell for sure is a vitreoectomy, and microscopic examination of the resulting specimen. But, I don't want to volunteer-so, I guess I'll just keep speculating!
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I have horrible floaters in all shapes and sizes... I have to litterly SEE through them. They are worse in light. My vision is also very blurry.
I have been to my eye doc twice and he says everything looks fine.... doesnt look fine to me Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Yes, I see them, too.
They are not specks but shaped like intertwining threads.
I think floaters are very common with most people.
Why are these shaped like dead spirochetes? Mine don't seem to be wriggling around.
When I started taking Cumanda, my eyes felt kind of sandy inside (sort of hard to describe) & burning a little. I thought that it was affecting the bacteria that may have been in the fluid behind my eyes.
It seems to be less now... so, it may be having an effect.
My eyesight has gone down since I've had Lyme but some people say it happens when you get older.
I don't know. I had really good eyesight, prior.
There are some supplements you can get for eyesight like Lutein, drink carrot juice, etc.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
i didn't read all the posts...but i just want to say that at least one very well known, experienced llmd says it is very "interesting" that so many patients describe their "floaters" as looking like spiroketes-when they don't even know what spiroketes are. he doesn't discount it and say there is is no way these patients are seeing ketes
i wonder if there could be some kind of reflection thing going on in the eye.
Posted by Rianna (Member # 11038) on :
I have exactly the same thing like moving worms/spiro's in my left eye - I mentioned this to my LLMD and he said yes it is very common.
Rianna
Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
How do you know when floaters are part of the normal aging process of part of Lyme, or maybe Lyme is making them worse? I never saw floaters till 10/07, when all my symptoms started...they have become quite numerous and large!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I was reading this & it may be the source of those "floaters"...
I know people who don't have Lyme & see them.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
sparkle...how do you know they don't have lyme?
my daughter in law didn't think she had it until my son and grandson got tx
when she saw a bulls eye rash on a poster in the llmd's office, she remembered she had had one. in our whole family she was the only one with a positive pcr
she thought she was learning disabled and had bad pms
after treatment she has graduated from college and mood swings have gone away
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
Or a parasite
Posted by swedish lyme sufferer (Member # 14579) on :
Explanation from an LLMD in Germany is that we actually SEE spirochetes due to some optic effect that I do not really understand. Like a microscope somehow. I am sorry I do not really understand how it works technically, but he was dead dure it is living spirochetes in the brain (in potic nerve) that we see.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
up
i like that last post
Posted by daisys (Member # 11802) on :
Years ago I saw bright dots that moved just like what you would see under a microscope. I thought I was seeing something in the air.
I was in my house, not seeing the sky. It was very bright, because the sun was shining into the house. I kept trying to get my husband to see them, but he couldn't.
When I asked my LLMD about it years later, he said it could be lyme or mycoplasma, either one.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
lpkayak... I guess it's debatable. I think many people see them.
People with Lyme may see spirochetes but there are other things that people see inside their eyes that aren't spirochetes.
There's alot of pollution, dust, bacteria, & chemtrails. We are being sprayed with barium & aluminium particles along with other things. I'm sure it's not healthy & may cause floaters.
Just because we are ill doesn't mean everyone has Lyme. Sometimes it's hard to imagine but there are healthy people out there.
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
I see them, too, but I assumed that was what 'floaters' were. I guess not.
They are transparent, and I can see the rim of the 'head' of the microorganisms within my field of vision, and then multiple squiggly 'tails'. They almost look like a sperm cell with multiple tails.
They are definitely flagellates though.
Posted by tailz (Member # 10014) on :
quote:Originally posted by amk33: I believe that the eye works much like a telescope or microscope. Light that enters the eye is refracted and the image is inverted onto the retina. See link: http://camillasenior.homestead.com/optics4.html
At the focal point where the image is being inverted (just past the lense in the vitreous humor), any object casting a shadow would be greatly magnified onto the retina.
Thus, I believe that it is possible to have floaters that are actually bacteria or parasites. I have long ones that curl, and actually look like worms.
They cannot be pieces of my eye that have sloughed off due to inflamation. I do have those, as well-they are clumps of dark matter. But, I think the ones we are talking about are definately something else.
I agree with amk33. The eye works as a microscope. I believe I actually AM seeing bacteria/parasites.
Posted by cjnelson (Member # 12928) on :
ditto tailz...my daughter sees them too!
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
I have also had a problem with floaters since my diagnosis with Lyme.
Like many of you, my floaters also resemble flagella. So it does make you wonder what you're actually seeing.
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