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Posted by yanivnaced (Member # 13212) on :
 
Has anybody used this (made by Raintree Nutrition).

It's got antibacterial and antimycotic properties. It looks like there's decent thrid party research on the efficacy of the constituent herbs.

Link:
http://rain-tree.com/myco-capsules.htm
 

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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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yanivnaced,

thanks for reminding me of this. I have never used it, but some time ago read all about each of the ingredients.

I am very impressed with RainTree in general and I think this product looks great.

BTW, the second to last ingredient (Bidens) is also used for malaria, so may hold some support in addressing babesia, too.

I love stuff that has a double-whammy.

other than PubMed, www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez ,

you can learn more about some of these products by searching www.itmonline.org - however ITM is more focused on Chinese herbs while these are Amazon Rainforest herbs. But Bidens is as article at the ITM site.

RainTree also offers so many citations - their research is quite extensive and they have an excellent reputation.


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Posted by catalysT (Member # 10786) on :
 
I've been wanting to try that actually. It's just kind of expensive. Most of the cost is probably of them putting the herbs into capsules for you. I'd think to achieve good results you may need to eat a handful of those pills every day for a while.

I'm always interested in using herbs and herb extracts for antimicrobial purposes.

That one specifically looks cool because it's not one of those "tinctures" like the cowden herbs are, which are like more than 50% alcohol. I am NOT a fan of alcohol in any amount. They say to avoid alcohol w/lyme specifically, then people are mega-dosing cowden herbs and other 50% alcohol tinctures, consuming the equivelant to like a few beers a day!
 

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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Rain-Tree also carefully tends to the forests where the herbs are grown and are fair to all the suppliers.

Not all companies are fair to those who grow and gather - or to the land by replenishing or not destroying.

I still find them far less expensive than some other places. I also like that they use no fillers at all.

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regarding alcohol tincutres, I know that Dr. Z tells his patients who have hepatitis C not to use any tinctures because of the effect on the liver. Seems like a small amount, but he says it's so strong and those with compromised livers should avoid tinctures for on-going use.

Some products use glycerin - or organic alcohol.


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Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
 
I use raintree as well. More specifically the amazon c-f. It use the regular cat's claw in this formulation as well as many of the herbs in the myco formula. Including bidens.

As far as the cat's claw they have a paper that indicates TOA free is not what it's purported to be. That TOA free is just a manufactured marketing gimick.

From the raintree site:

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But then facts concerning cat's claw's benefits became confusing, as often happens with market-driven research. A manufacturer of a cat's claw extract funded a test tube study about these immune-stimulating alkaloids. The research indicated that, supposedly, two different types (chemotypes) of cat's claw vines are growing in the rainforest, and/or that cat's claw produces "good alkaloids" and "bad alkaloids." It has coined the "good ones" pentacyclic (POA) alkaloids and the "bad ones" tetracyclic (TOA) alkaloids; both are oxindole alkaloids. The research and marketing attempts to suggest that one set of "bad alkaloids" counteracts the immune benefits of the "good alkaloids."

This research has not been confirmed by independent researchers - that is, those who are not selling cat's claw or being paid by companies selling cat's claw. This research has also not been confirmed in humans or animals. This market-driven research would seek to discount or disprove all the definitive, independent research done over the last three decades in Japan, Peru, Germany, Spain, and the United States (including the four U.S. patents filed by these same researchers). Much of the previous independent research was performed on whole oxindole extracts and whole root or vine extracts (some in humans and animals). This research documented the presence of both types of alkaloids, both of which showed immune stimulant actions. Indeed, some of the "new research" refuted the marketer's original (and independently confirmed) findings! As for the possibility of a "new chemotype": a plant doesn't change its chemical constituency in five years. Again, two species of cat's claw exist - U. tomentosa and U. guianensis; they have a similar chemical makeup but a different ratio of oxindole alkaloids. Admittedly U. tomentosa has declined in the Peruvian rainforest because of overharvesting in the last five to eight years. The lower growing and easier-to-find U. guianensis variety is a common "adulterant" in many large lots of cat's claw bulk material being exported out of South America today.

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