This is long, but it is IMPERATIVE that you read and try to understand the following.
PLEASE...we CAN rid this infection via "safer" means!!!
"However the anticonvulsant properties of benzodiazepines may be in part or entirely due to ***binding to voltage-dependent sodium channels*** rather than benzodiazepine receptors. Sustained repetitive firing seems to be limited by
benzodiazepines effect of slowing recovery of sodium channels from inactivation."
Bb has a gene for Na-ATPase. When Na leaves the cell, in goes glucose and amino acids...which would make Bb very happy and healthy.
The benzodiazepines effect the Na channels.
IMO...there are ***safer ways***.
Inactivate HMG CoA reductase and shut down the cholesterol pathway (Bb DOES follow that pathway) via:
1. Mg sulfate - though this is a problem since ATP drives Mg back into the cells and the infected cells are making far too little ATP.
2. Benicar - arb drug (lowers cholesterol) - problem because very high doses are needed and this can impact the health of the kidneys
3. Lauricidin. It is a CH4 (methane) inhibitor. But systemic and not targeted?
Methane isn't good. In fact: "Methane is also an asphyxiant and may displace oxygen in an enclosed space"
I will explain further down, but it appears Bb produces methane.
Other CH4 reducers include garlic and pectin. BTW...CO2 and methane in our atmosphere (high levels) is problematic. Cows produce a LOT (!) of methane when they...pass gas...
Cholesterol link:
"``Positive methane-producing status associated with ***increased serum cholesterol*** in subjects
with impaired glucose tolerance''
You can thank IL1 B and TNF alpha for that insulin-glucose problem.
"In vitro, cytokines like interleukin-1-beta (IL-1-B) and tumour necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-A) inhibit insulin release and
can destroy islet B-cells."
Those, my friends, are the insulin producing beta cells of the pancreas.
4. Condrosulf. Highly targeted to the HeLa cells (endothelial/epithelial) that line our blood vessels. These are the first cells Bb attacks. Bb binds to condroitin sulfate receptors (and other sulfate ones) and this activates the Akt genes (the receptors are bound and don't "work").
Taking the Rx Condrosulf lowers TNF alpha, AND blocks Akt/NFkB , etc.
Re: Bb binding to sulfate receptors:
"The spirochete binds to heparan sulfate and dermatan sulfate on human epithelial (HeLa) cells (23) and to decorin, a dermatan sulfate/chondroitin sulfate proteoglycan associated with collagen fibrils."
It appears Bb is a methane producing, sulfate reducing pathogen.
It looks to follow this pathway:
Reductive acetyl CoA Pathway is found in methanogenic (produce methane as a metabolic byproduct in anoxic conditions) archaebacteria and in acetogenic
and
some ***sulfate-reducing*** eubacteria as a way of fixing carbon.
Bb locks onto sulfate receptors. Furthermore:
"B. burgdorferi is one of the few pathogenic bacteria that can survive without iron, having replaced all of its iron-*sulphur* cluster enzymes with enzymes that use manganese."
Proof that Bb is ACTIVATING Akt genes:
Pay close attention to the following:
"A fundamental ultrastructural feature shared by the spirochetal pathogens Treponema pallidum subsp. pallidum (T. pallidum) and Borrelia burgdorferi, the etiological agents of venereal syphilis and Lyme disease, respectively, is that
their most abundant membrane proteins contain covalently attached fatty acids.
***B. burgdorferi contained only phosphatidylglycerol and phosphatidylcholine.***"
Got those 2 above? Watch for them below.
"Significant increases in saturated fatty acids, unsaturated fattyacids,phosphatidylethanolamine,
***phosphatidylcholine*** and ***phosphatidylglycerol*** levels were found in response to
Akt *activation* in these cells."
Condrosulf BLOCKS Akt/NFkB signals.
Proof:
***Among the SYSADOA, Condrosulf� ***
(manufactured by IBSA), whose active ingredient is chondroitin sulfate, has proven to be a valuable therapeutic tool for the symptomatic treatment of OA after oral administration
Current study was performed to investigate the effects of chondroitin sulfate (CS) extracted from Styela clava tunic on TNF-alpha-induced inflammation and to elucidate the mechanism of CS on the regulation of inflammatory factors in JB6 cells.
Our results showed that CS
***inhibited TNF-alpha-induced NF-kappaB activation and subsequent vascular cell adhesion molecule 1 and inducible nitric oxide synthase expressions by
***blocking Akt signals in JB6 cells.***
Our results suggest that CS may be developed as an effective anti-inflammatory agent in the future.
PMID: 18295395 Cancer Lett. 2008 Jun 8;264(1):93-100
JB6 cells ARE endothelial/epithelial cells.
Now that IS targeting!!!
Condrosulf is an Rx. Loading doses look to be 4 GRAMS followed by 1200mg daily.
It appears to be very safe.
BTW..."Akt2 is an important signaling molecule in the Insulin signaling pathway. It is required to induce glucose transport."
Bb is ACTIVATING the Akt genes. We need to block Akt/NFkB.
[ 18. October 2008, 02:27 AM: Message edited by: Marnie ]
Posted by MusicMan (Member # 11966) on :
Hi there
Hmm, I'm not really sure what it is you said but no matter what I'm not going off Klonopin. If I was not taking Klonopin my stress levels and anxiety would be so high that I think that would affect me even more.
You have to really go through extreme anxiety to understand why people take them.
Good luck with that though and I hope it works for you but it's not for me at this time.
Steve
Posted by blaze (Member # 16838) on :
Hmmm? This is very interesting indeed. It gives credence to tailz's theory that people with Lyme suffer from what she called electrosensitivity, and essentially, radiation poisoning.
I've been noticing my Lyme symptoms increase when I use the computer, and in certain stores, on certain roads, etc...
Is that why I begin to sweat?
By the way, is tailz still banned? I've been trying to be quiet about my own electrical symptoms, because I fear I'll be banned, too.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I am not sure what all that said.. BUT I also have MAJOR sensitivity to computers... I never had this until I got ill, but now when I am on the computer I get very ill... I cannot even walk into stores without my symptoms getting worse..
I DO not know what causes this.. I hate it though and don't know how to get rid of it???
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
I, too, will have to take klonopin as it is the only drug that reduces my myoclonus. My myoclonus is so bad without klonopin that I fall down. Sigh. Hiker53
Posted by hopeandhealth (Member # 17605) on :
Unless you live with horrible anxiety (I don't) or horrible neuropathy and PAINFUL tight muscles (like I have in my neck) that ONLY benzos fix...then you couldn't understand why people HAVE TO take them.
Honestly, the pain is so relentless and horrendous that without my son....well....I couldn't take it anymore.
I've tried EVERYTHING. Unfortunately, it's the only thing that works. I think I say on a daily basis, I wish Tylenol would help this and not benzos. With benzos, comes fear of addiction or dependence, guilt, feeling like you are looked down on if people know, etc.
Do you even take benzos or have a condition where you would need to take them? I'm sorry but your post kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Lyme is a horrible disease. There's no way some of us could keep going on with a half way (half way is a stretch) normal life without them.
Posted by James Marschner (Member # 13073) on :
Benzo's do not (At least directly.) Affect Na+ channels in neurons.
Benzo's bind to Parts of the GABA-a receptors, which give them a higher affinity for GABA neurotransmitters to bind.
This Affects Cl- channels which hyperpolarize the neuron so its' internal charge becomes even more (-)negative. Therefore, when the neuron tries to fire...Na+ channels open to let (+) ions in and make the charge more Positive (+). This way, the neuron can receive signals to fire...but doesn't fire due to the hyperpolarization.
Posted by James Marschner (Member # 13073) on :
I think that the idea that prescription or even illicit drug addiction is WORSE than chronic Lyme/Bart. is really sad.
I would LOVE to be detoxing/tapering off some drug like benzo's instead of herxing and agonizing over Lyme and it's related co-infections.
Ideas like that ruin treatment plans for others that CAN be helped by these types of medicines.
Posted by painted turtle (Member # 7801) on :
Making generalized statements can be dangerous.
There are indeed times, with severe neuroborrelia, that xanax is a much lesser
Risk than no xanax.
At the same time, I agree emphatically that
benzo's are very dirty drugs to be avoided if advised
And monitored so that addiction and complacency don't take the place of
When it is necessary in the best interest of the person w/neuroborrelia and the people around them.
Posted by James Marschner (Member # 13073) on :
hyponatremia can be induced by drinking lots (Yoo much.) water.
Why don't you just do that if you're worried about some unproven theory that may have some tiny effect on BB?
Besides, a hyperpolarized neuron will uptake MORE Na+ in an attempt to fire...but fails. This would take Na+ OUT of teh extracellular fluid, and unavailable for BB to use.
Posted by Nobody (Member # 16041) on :
Have there been any studies / research on this CS stuff in treating lyme disease? I'm a little unclear from the post if its just a potential conclusion Marnie is drawing or if there were lyme-specific studies.
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
I'm probably one of the first people to tell people to be very careful regarding which medications they take, but of all the medications I take, the Lorazepam is the most important aside from antibiotics. Without it, I couldn't sleep at all, and that would be dangerous.
Posted by sutherngrl (Member # 16270) on :
Whatever you said, I have to have my xanax. Lyme is the reason and when I have rid my body of this awful illness, I will then at that time wean myself off of xanax. The last thing I am worried about is developing an addiction. It's like a diabetic that has to have insulin to function.
Posted by Amanda (Member # 14107) on :
FYI - I take Klonopin for sleep and anxiety and muscle tightness.
I was able to cut back on the dose, and improve my sleep with Lyrica.
Lyrica is good for anxiety, and doesn't have the associated problems with addiction. Also, Lyrica actually induces your deepest stage of sleep, which is when most healing takes place in the body.
One thing I discovered is that although the Klonopin was great for helping me fall asleep, all benzos can decrease the deep sleep needed for healing.
Anyway, I was able to cut back to ahlf the does on the benzos and sleep GREAT and have reduced anxiety.
Just my experience - Amanda
Posted by lymeHerx001 (Member # 6215) on :
My second try of doxy had me pain free and anxiety free for about 5 days. THen the herxing started and I became sensitized.
Now when I touch I get encepolopathy and I get very suicidal.
Hows that for a turn around.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
At least I got your attention although you didn't understand what I was saying.
Treat the symptoms or go for a cure?
I think
Rx. Condrosulf
can CURE.
It reduces inflammation (TNF alpha) and ***blocks Akt/NFkB***...gene signals, etc.
It is very very very specific for the cells that are infected.
It is critical to stop NFkB:
"Consistent with this role, incorrect regulation of NF-κB has been linked to cancer, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases, septic shock, viral infection, and improper immune development. NF-κB has also been implicated in processes of synaptic plasticity and memory."
Re: sodium
"***Export of sodium***
from the cell provides the driving force for several facilitated membrane transport proteins,
which ***import glucose, amino acids*** and other nutrients into the cell."
Bb NEEDS glucose and amino acids to build its cell wall.
What triggers this?
Na-ATpase.
" Na_-ATPase gene, a major determinant for
* sodium extrusion*"
Does Bb have this gene? Keep reading.
Remarkably, the genome of B. burgdorferi does not encode any (known) primary H_ or Na_ pump,
*except for* two NQR subunits, NqrA and NqrB, fused into a single polypeptide chain (BB0072).
***Therefore, it appears that this organism uses its Na_ ATPase for ATP hydrolysis and depends on its two NhaC-type Na_/H_ antiporters (BB0637 and BB0638) for the generation of proton motive force.''
Translation: it appears Bb shoves Na out of the cell and then glucose and amino acids enter the cells Bb is infecting in order to supply Bb the nutrients it needs to survive.
Regarding insulin and diabetes:
We conclude that rhodopsin mRNA in peripheral blood, measured by real-time quantitative PCR, is *increased* in DR (diabetic retinopathy) and may be a useful marker of this condition.
G-protein-coupled Receptor Rhodopsin Regulates the Phosphorylation of Retinal Insulin Receptor.
Guess which lizard makes a lot of rhodopsin.
I think the body is trying to help...as it does when D3 goes up too.
I just found another link:
"These findings demonstrate that Borrelia burgdorferi organisms are able to induce functionally active
*adhesion molecules*
on endothelial cells in vitro and suggest that E-selectin, P-selectin, ICAM-1 and VCAM-1 play an important role in the pathogenesis of spirochetal infection."
Now...repeating about Condrosulf:
Our results showed that CS
"inhibited TNF-alpha-induced NF-kappaB activation
and subsequent ***vascular cell adhesion molecule 1 ***
and inducible nitric oxide synthase expressions by
blocking Akt signals in JB6 cells.
[ 18. October 2008, 03:51 AM: Message edited by: Marnie ]
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
-
Marnie,
thanks so much for all your research.
A Google search brings up lots of stuff for weekend reading.
PubMed, too, has 11 abstracts.
Cheers !
-
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marnie:
At least I got your attention although you didn't understand what I was saying.
I was so glad to read this because I thought it was me!
I was having a bit of trouble understanding your original post, but REALLY didn't understand how the other posts were related to it.
Condrosulf......This sounds very interesting.
I finally broke down & accepted an Rx for a low-dose, mild benzo as a sleep aid.
The other night I stewed over taking it for about an hour after reading all the side effects. Do you know a lot of the possible side effects are things I actually experience (and HATE!) from Bb?!
How on earth can anyone tell whether their problems are Bb or Benzo related?
I only took it the one night & I DID sleep.
Thankfully, I also started new ABX that knocked me on my tooshie, so the next night I had no trouble falling asleep, only staying there which the Benzo wouldn't help anyway.
If it cured, sleep shouldn't be an issue. I wonder if it would have any immediate effect on sleep.
Thanks for sharing this.
Ali
Posted by evgen (Member # 14118) on :
Yeah. As I use Mg sulfate as a part of my detox protocol, I feel far better immediately after 2 days being on it. However Mg sulfate for me is used instead of enemas for a faster bowels unloading and obviously one can't be on it for a long time. In my case it's a 4 days active detox that includes herbal stuff along with probiotics, vitamins, minerals and Mg sulfate. And lots of mineral water.
I might try CS as a selftreatment, not a prescription drug though.
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
So Marnie,
I got your inital post. Really piqued my interest. i knew that you were not denying benzo's but offering something that might work a whole lot better.
I wonder, does this have the ability to affect inflamation everywhere in the body? Most importantly, THE BRAIN?
I am going to do my own search on Condrosulf but would appreciate your opinion as I may not comprehend the scientific literature.
Thank you vey much for your findings and for your persuit in finding the answer.
You must love your sister very much to to keep up with your intensive research.
Best, Feelfit
Posted by James Marschner (Member # 13073) on :
i'VE BEEN LOADED UP on Mg2+ for abou 1 year now, and have noticed nothing?
I take mega doses of meloxicam, tylenol, Ibuprofen, Naproxen: EVery NSAID I can get my hands on....they NEVER helped a bit?
I'm not sure about the rest of you...but I already had "rice-water" bowel movements. I have to go once an hour, get up in the middle of the night and go...w/o anything to induce it.
Even when I take lots of vicodin, I NEVER have EVER been constipated. Why?
I don't think an enema would work for me.
I feel the most likely very small effects mentioned above are much less important than getting some sleep also.
We look so deeply into this illness that we "don't see the trees in the forrest".
Posted by James Marschner (Member # 13073) on :
Plus there is probably no way to remove amino acids and glucose from the extracellular fluid and blood. Wouldn't you die?
I researched L-selectin and spectrin at the Roswell Park Cancer institute.
This info is unlikely to help anyone.
You must first master new knowledge before you can put it into clinical practice.
Posted by James Marschner (Member # 13073) on :
You can't significantly remove: Na+, Glucose, or A.A's from your body anyway. You would die.
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
James,
What do you mean by an enema? I don't see anything about an enema? Do you mean that mg has an affect on bowel frequency?
Thanks, Feelfit
Posted by djf2005 (Member # 11449) on :
hey guys just thought id throw my 2 cents in here.
first- marnie your posts are much appreciated but again, if you would take the time to translate the info you collect it would be much appreciated. too often the info you present falls on deaf ears because we do not have the scientific background that you apparently have.
second- i cold turkeyed benzos, narcs, and sleeping aids about 3 weeks ago and have to say its the best decision i made so far for my lyme treatment. i am NOT advocating cold turkeying the meds, BUT i am advocating stopping them for a month or two and to access how one feels.
up until the DAY i stopped, i had anxiety, pain, insomnia, (all reasons to STAY on these meds) i suspected they were actually ADDING to the problem, so i wanted to see how i felt off them. after one week of severe withdraw (again i do NOT reccommend you try it this way, it was very rough. ive been though some severe times during this illness (ie near death 2x) so i was prepared for it) I am feeling much better.
the headaches are down, so it can be hypothesized that they were causing rebound HAs and am now better OFF of. the benzos i was taking 1-2mg of xanax a day/night for sleep but they were no longer working for that nor for the uncomfortable anxiety. since STOPPING, its much better. again, an argument can be made that the med was actually adding to the problem at this point and not helping it. lastly, the sleeping meds (ambien, lunesta, ect ect) i also stopped and since have been having deeper sleep. another argument can be made that these aids inhibit quality sleep over time and not help it.
to summamrize:
IMO, these meds are meant and should be kept wo whenever possible short term use/s. like most of you who are reading this, i too had anxiety, severe pain, and every reason to STAY ON the meds. i think one needs to ask themselves though after theyve been on these for a long period of time, if, in fact, they can be contributing to the problem and not helping it.
please dont bite my head off folks, just sharing my own experience. its one the hardest things i have done but one of the best as well. i feel much more like my old self and i gladly trade that feeling of some sense of wellbeing for a bit of anxiety, pain, and sleepless nights (which i had ON all the meds ANYWAY!!)
CHEERS
derek
Posted by James Marschner (Member # 13073) on :
Cheers to you Eric!
I'm glad you were able to use Benzo's and other schedule III or IV drugs, and still LIVE to tell your story.
I use valium...Some days I don't.
I'm so glad that you are more proof that there is life after benzo's etc...
Do you think the discomfort from quitting benzo's (In a couple weeks? I forget how long it took you.) is as tough as living w/ a bad herxes all the time?
Posted by James Marschner (Member # 13073) on :
Feelfit,
I mentioned Mg2+ along w/ enemas b/c the enema(From other posts.) seems to be central to any detox program.
So, I'm thinking that my body may be already maxed out as far detoxification?
Since the Mg2+ didn't help me, an enema probably wouldn't help either? Since I already move water instead of solid waste.
I still take Mg2+ b/c I may go on levaquin soon, and I want to avoid tendon damage.
I figured that's all it would be good for (Mg2+)?
What's your experience?
Posted by James Marschner (Member # 13073) on :
Also, EVGEN said that Mg increases bowel movenents, and is part of detox.
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
Unless I miss my guess...this is somewhat like "REVERSE ENGINEERING" is it not MARNIE?
There are a whole lot of things in your post that we have known about Bb for some time....
I don't know why you MUST get all that technical junk out of your system when NOT
a great deal of contributors here, can read, NOR , Comprehend your alphabet stew!
If you would in the future, Just put up what you know in some type of english we could all understand....
so we don't have to keep reading it to find that it's information that's been known for
approximately as long as, at least, I have been sick....
Then you could type all the JARGON with friends that understand the alphabet stew and compare notes!
I'm not trying to bash you.....but ya know....It's dang difficult to read english around here....
much less trying to comprehend the stuff you type up on this board.
Especially when we already know, about and have known,
oh about three quarters of what you put down.....but we know it in english....
Reverse, biomedics/science....whatever ya want to call it...?
I just sat here for approx an hour and a half and I'm saddly no further ahead
nor have I deduced any astoundingly new revelations for which I suffer.
Come on, have a heart, will ya????
Thanks Anyway and thanks for those who REALLY understand the stuff or are too shy to say they don't!
zman
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
oops, sorry James. I missed Evgens post. Now I see where the mention of the enema was.
It is good to do mg while on any of the floraquines (sp) because of the muscle/tendon issues.
Did you have watery bm's before supplementing with mg? If not, your mg intake may be to high?
As for detox, I have not done enemas yet. Chlorella, NAC, ALA, milk thistle for liver support, detox teas, epsom salt baths.....thats what I've done.
feelfit
Posted by djf2005 (Member # 11449) on :
thanks z man. ditto
Posted by lymeHerx001 (Member # 6215) on :
I know Marnie has a good heart and likes to contribute in the best way she knows how, intellectually, but unfortunately for most of us out technical part of the brain is out for lunch and diner.
It makes me jealous actually to read her posts because I remember a time when I would be able to read and somewhat understand what she is saying.
Now it just looks like white rice in a white bowl.
[ 19. October 2008, 12:34 AM: Message edited by: lymeHerx001 ]
Posted by WildCondor (Member # 434) on :
Wow. Well, regardless. Xanax is great!! Helped me through some nasty herxes! Good stuff.
Posted by Nobody (Member # 16041) on :
I am still confused. Marnie, is this just a theory of something that could work or has it been put into practice and had results somewhere?
You are saying this treatment could work on diabetes as well?
I made a copy of this post and will show it to my LLMD to see what he thinks, but its WAY over my head, as always, sorry
[ 21. October 2008, 10:52 AM: Message edited by: Nobody ]
Posted by Nobody (Member # 16041) on :
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Marnie? Can you respond to my questions, please?
Posted by Shosty (Member # 12232) on :
I have taken xanax for 20 years, maybe once or twice a month, at a dose of 1/4 or even less of the lowest .25 pill. For me, that is potent enough. But it has been extremely helpful when needed.
For folks who are thinking of stopping cold turkey, withdrawal can be very difficult and can take weeks or months, but it is not potentially fatal the way alcohol withdrawal is.
Marnie has been writing about diabetes for years now, and I never understand what she says, except I know that she does not believe in autoimmune/ molecular mimicry. I have a daughter with type 1 diabetes (since the age of 4) whose pancreatic beta cells are, obviously, completely destroyed. I don't mean to be sarcastic, but Marnie, if you have a potential cure, please let the JDRF and ADA know. My kid has been pricking her finger 10+ times/day and doing shots or pump insertions for 15 years now. She never knows if she is going to have a fatal low overnight. Help is always appreciated as the drug companies continue to come up with new profitable gadgets and the cure remains very far away.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Much of what I post is over your heads...I know.
But I hope and pray there are "lurkers" on this website (professionals) who are reading and who are catching on and learning (as I am).
Please note that the link re: Condrosulf...and how it may help...
is VERY VERY recent research (cancer). Look at the date below.
Repeating:
"Our results showed that CS
***inhibited TNF-alpha-induced NF-kappaB activation and subsequent vascular cell adhesion molecule 1 and inducible nitric oxide synthase expressions by
***blocking Akt signals in JB6 cells.***
Our results suggest that CS may be developed as an effective anti-inflammatory agent in the future.
PMID: 18295395 Cancer Lett. 2008 Jun 8;264(1):93-100
Mg deficiency in lyme disease...from a Romanian cancer hospital. Valletta (Dr., Italy)- Mg for autoimmune...again cancer hospital.
We KNOW we must get inflammation down. It is absolutely critical we halt ongoing TNF alpha and IL 1B...especially.
From research to "recommend" and/or "in practice" can take years.
There is a huge difference between Rx strength condroitin sulfate and that OTC.
It appears it takes a LOT. AND...importantly...it is SLOW ACTING.
So do NOT expect miracles overnight.
I am trying hard to keep up with the "latest" information and apply it to what we know about this incredibly complex pathogen.
Posted by notkrazybrian (Member # 10621) on :
Interesting, Although I dont not agree with your post, I agree with painted turtles, and DF2005's Strongly.
Pretty bold statement to be making, which lacks evidence unless you can covert it to being a Scientist and still has major flaws.
The Family of drugs help a lot of individuals with symptoms, yet have alot of side-effects (especially in the dependency department).
Some have seizure activities- which klonopin helps greatly in that department.
Alot of anxiety - which xanax, and ativan help greatly for this. Lyme produces major Neuro-problems benzo's help hugely in this department. Many things create (toxins,disease,etc) anxiety, panic, which is hallmark in this disease. Alot of people cant or wont stop shaking without benzo's. Ativan is actually the safest and least toxic to the body with minimal physical or organ problems to the body, with xanax falling right behind it.
Benzo's have merely no effect on the human body looking at the side effects it can cause to the body.
Yes, dangerous because it alters mind, and can potentially be abused. Used as as RX'd is fine. Yes, you will become tolerant and need to increase dose to get same effects is excepted, but fine when u have a disease as aweful as this.
I probably fall as being biased to this statement, because i take 1-2 mgs of xanax daily, but is the only drug I would not give up, unless it was life threatening. Your statement holds little to no truth.
Posted by notkrazybrian (Member # 10621) on :
Def not over my head, just not wanting to get into as deep. Mg defiency in all is the least thing found in lyme patients, usually have major other deficiencies and MG defiency is not present. Which will be explained in the new dr B Guidelines.
Alot of lyme patients take magnusium and notice no beneficial help at all, although i do not advice to not take it, go for it if it helps more power, to you!
Posted by lyme in Putnam (Member # 11561) on :
I'm not sure of the how the drugs interact, but I take xanax and I have hyponatremia. I have to take a sodium tablet everyday, plus lasix and I am on fluid restriction. Xanax has gotten me through really tough times. I am monitored for both sodium and xanax and am also on iv rocephin and oral zithromax. Also hypothyroidism and am on toprol thanx to 2 episodes of v-tac. I guess I am poster child for the physicians desk reference like we feel we all are. I don't understand the mechanics of how the meds interact or how the bb fits in - I just thank God when I feel ok.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
ok, i admit it, dumber than a rock....
what is a benzo? what drugs are benzos?
waaaaaa.....
Posted by djf2005 (Member # 11449) on :
marnie!
what crack rock are you smoking?
you are writing your posts in technical mumbo jumbo jargon in hopes that some "professionals" are going to read your posts and learn about Bb?
are you serious?
this board is for exchanging info from patient to patient, ect ect, not from scientist to scientist.
again, IT WOuLD GREATLY HELP US IF YOU WOULD TRANSLATE THE POSTS SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND.
its not like we are dumb or un educated. unless one has a background and education in science or whatever it is you would need to understand that nonsense than it would be impossible to decipher all of it.
im sure it makes you feel awesome to be posting these things in awesome tehcno jargon but the amount of people you are helping is precisely ZERO and the amount of scientists that are reading your posts learning about Bb is precisely ZERO as well!
now if you would kindly write the info you discover/come across is laymens terms it would be greatly appreciated by us all and then the amount of time you spend writing threads on LN wouldnt be a complete waste
cheers
derek
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
derek, my thoughts articulated.....
sometimes i have trouble even using the tv remote control....i just forget....
so how am i, who consider myself moderately educated (english major), going to struggle through all of this stuff....
i mean, have pity, i had to take most science courses at least twice....
this stuff makes absolutely no sense to me...
Posted by notkrazybrian (Member # 10621) on :
Any professional that are studying the effects of benzo's and certain blockers esp effects on the kidneys and bad cholesterol are most likely not google'ing xanax and and cancer together. just an idea.
Posted by notkrazybrian (Member # 10621) on :
Randi I hoped i answered your question with all the stuff that marnie layed down seems like she would put down what they are...
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I was so glad to read this because I thought it was me! ![[dizzy]](graemlins/dizzy.gif)
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