I have these on my left and right arm... They popped up oneday in July and have gotten worse... Does this look like a Bart Rash?? I have gained weight but even my doc said that this is an unusual place to get stretch marks... It goes from my armpit to my elbow very unattractive
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Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
looks like bart to me....
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
thanks Randi!! Very weird place to have these unsightly marks
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
anyone else?
Posted by adamm (Member # 11910) on :
Looks just like my bart rash...
Posted by groovy2 (Member # 6304) on :
Yep looks like bart-Jay-
Posted by hshbmom (Member # 9478) on :
Hi girl,
Your rash looks exactly like my daughter's bart rash....same location too.
Have you seen the Bartonella rash photos on the LDA website? Those photos were taken by Dr. Martin Fried of NJ.
There is an excellent videotaped slide presentation by Dr. Fried available on the Internet. He discusses these rashes & their causes. I believe this presentation was given for a 2004 LDA meeting.
Dr. Fried's information is great, but the quality of the recording is not so great.
Scroll to the bottom of this list of presentations. Dr. Fried's is last one on the list:
[ 18. October 2008, 07:45 AM: Message edited by: hshbmom ]
Posted by h8lyme (Member # 11765) on :
look like the rashes I had prior to treating for bart.
Posted by Sojourner (Member # 9424) on :
My daughter had the exact same marks on her legs.....got worse and than better with treatment. You are on to something, keep at it.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Thanks for the replies!!
HSH--- I couldn't watch the video... guess it is not combatible with a mac.
So I guess this is Bart?? I wish I knew for sure...
Posted by northstar (Member # 7911) on :
quote: So I guess this is Bart?? I wish I knew for sure...
I would recommend reviewing the bart/lyme symptom list. There is some overlap.
I would recommend showing pic's to your llmd, and asking for a challenge treatment period.
Try some searches here to see what others have experienced upon treatment. If you have reaction, then that is another clue.
The problem is no one knows 100% about the diseases. Yes there are some who test + for bart.
There also are those who do not, but have herx and later improvement with bart treatment.
Sometimes different bart treatments are not effective for all people. That is, some improve on one type, and others improve on other types.
Tests are supposed to be less reliable than lyme tests.
Nothing is absolutely known in tbd's, no matter how self-righteous IDSA wants it to be, when they present the info.
That is why a good llmd offers more than conservative ID's.
You have everything to lose with untreated bart, and much to gain if it works.
But you will never know unless you show the pic's to your llmd, and try an anti-bart challenge.
Northstar
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
My LLMD said it is defintely a weird spot for stretch marks and was probably due to bart or lyme... but it wasn't a sure thing. My tests were negative for bart. I am being put on Rifampin along with my other meds.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
WOW...this is DEFFINITLY BART .It is bart henselae!!!
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Posted by Clint31 (Member # 16420) on :
I have developed those as well. I've had them a lot longer then I've "had lyme"
Posted by cactus (Member # 7347) on :
They look like my bart rashes.
Mine went away while treating with levaquin. Hope yours do, too!
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
hey thanks everyone!!
Alv... Thanks, your always a wealth of information!! Posted by PinchotGail (Member # 5066) on :
They look exactly like my daughter's bart rashes on her hips and inner thighs........
Gail York Lyme Disease Support Group York,PA
Posted by hshbmom (Member # 9478) on :
FYI these stretch-like marks might not be just Bartonella.
Dr. Fried said the "Bart rash" can be caused by a few different things, NOT just Bartonella. He mentioned Lyme, Mycoplasma, and....something else.
If you'll got to the 2004 LDA presentation link above, you'll hear it from his own mouth.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
HSH-- I tried watching the video, but I dont think it is compatible with a mac.. so it didnt work.
I just started rifampin, and i guess that is supposed to hit bart... we'll see!
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
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Posted by oyvey (Member # 11581) on :
Hi, I've wanted to write for awhile and say that your symptoms are very like my daughters. She had very high titres for Bart and like you she had a lot of GI problems, a lot of pain, couldn't get out of bed, or walk very far etc.
If you recently started Rifampin maybe they brought out the Bartonella rashes?
Bartonella treatment with Levaquin in combination with other drugs gave my daughter a life back. It didn't take away all the problems but helped her worst symptoms enormously. Maybe with Rifampin you are on the right track now.
Good luck
Posted by bears1985 (Member # 17271) on :
One Word-BART
Posted by djf2005 (Member # 11449) on :
yeah looks like bart for sure.
hope u feel better soon
its a nasty illness.
i HATE it
derek
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Well, I started rifampin earlier this week.... no reactions or anything yet.. Will be ramping up to 600mg today. Started with 300mg.
We'll see I guess
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
300 mg is nothing for your weight.
I had reached the crazy point where THE HERX was HORRIBLE for my 155 pounds body ( I gained as LYME send me to 115 punds and almost sent me to the grave in FEBRUARY 2007) .I made it to the HIGHER level that worked for me as lower dosages and 1 or just 2 medications DID nothing.
SO I noticed that COMBO of 2-3 drugs and 3 herbs when I was on :500mg levaquin , 600mg RIFAMPIn ,500mg Azithromax, 15 hh capsuels( 3x5) , garlic and rubbing 1/2 of oregano oil super strength in my body .Went in the sauna...145 degree...it took me 12 months to get there...Also I was drinking 2-3 cups of KNOTWEED decoction from 1st chinese herbs.It was my main tea for the day to clear my brain and protect it. I still drink it and prepare it evey day for my family.My body wants it desperatly .Is very beneficial and very cheap ..ALL you do it boil it and is better than capsules and easy to make.
FYI I even intruduced 250 drops of banderol also ..I WOULD not recomend this to anybody.But I have tried horrble dosages that I found in the last 3 years , Only very high dosages can reach the brain.I wanted my brain back and MY EKSPERINCE was only VERY HIGH DOSAGES can DO THE JOB.Is this toxic ...YES for sure...BUT was`nt the bugs releasing toxics and killing me ..for sure..
OK , cats claw and Cumanda that i was taking weer not giving me that much of RELEIF.
BANDEROL was the next that MY body accepted by muscle testing.AND it KICKED MY A## .
My body said 80 drops.I went ahead and took 250 .IT ALMOST made me go to the hospital after trying it sonsistantly for 2 weeks.THAN I stoped and went on CMS to clear my brain.
My brain swelling stoped only when I reached this point of using high dosages.BANDEROL seems to get many things at the same time.I LOVE it and now I am back and using it before I go to sleep .I sleep 8 hrs straight!!!!!
FYI I had bart at least marks since in HIGH SCHOOL over 25 years ...Probably had it before but this is PROOFF.
FIGHT BART HARD as this is the only way to the road of recovery from LYME.That is my eksperience. WHEN EVERYBODY WAS CHASING BABESIA -NOT ME, I have chasing BART since DAY one as I realised from the symtoms that THIS WAS THE BUG that I HAD longest..FINALLY came out that this really have to be treated first.
I am just sharing my ekpserience and I am not a doctor.I am intendig to get all the oil herbs and try them all out..based on USING biotensor.
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very unattractive
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