For the last few months my son has been complaining of leg pain.
He is 4 and diagnosed with Lyme last year. Congential lyme since my other son has it too as do I. At that time he was given 60 days of Ceftin.
Do you think the leg pain is related? what else could leg pian in kids be? Are growing pain "for real".
I hate this since he is too yong to know his own body.
they seem to happen afer playing on the playgrond, after riding his bike or walking around while we run errands.
Please help, and no we don't have any LLMDs near us.
Posted by Amy C (Member # 19297) on :
My son gets this too. He has congenital lyme also (both my boys do). His happens after he does too much activity. Walking too much. He had to quit track because it got really bad at one point. Now it just happens when he does too much.
Does he get leg weakness too? That is what my son complained of a lot. He missed some school because of it.
Does he also get foot pain? Just wondered because that is Bartonella I think and I have that. I get problems with my feet and legs too. Feet are worse though.
It's really hard when your kids have to go through this! Especially when they are so young!
Posted by Amy C (Member # 19297) on :
Here is the thread to my post that I did when this 1st happened to my son. Maybe there is something helpful in it?
Since your kids are congenital, do you have Bart too?
how do I know if he has leag weakness? He just says "my legs hurt mommy"
He does have low muscle tone but last time we went to the Dr he said it was just in his upper body now. He didn't have the "superman" reflex when the pick him up and held him over his head.
Posted by jentytib (Member # 14375) on :
PS, Thanks for the info Amy. Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
CHILDREN'S LYME SYMPTOMS compiled by Geneal 6-07 From ``GENEAL'' June 2007
I have been doing some research regarding Lyme and signs/symptoms in small children.
I know many of you have small children that you may be concerned about. I believe my youngest child (4yrs old) may have gotten this disease from me.
For All Children
-dizziness -neck pain and stiffness in almost 90% -sore throats -swollen lymph nodes -excessive thirst, -Chest pains in at least 70%, some have palpatations -Sense of air hunger or shortness of breath, dry cough
-abdominal pain in about 50%, can mimic acute appendicitis -sometimes vomiting, heartburn -rashes that come and go, malar rashes, new psoriasis
-migratory arthralgias, joing pain in 50% to 100% -myalgias in over 80%, back ache, morning stiffness, pain at rest, muscle weakness
-frequent illnessses, dark circles under their eyes -intermittent red, hot pinnae of ears -sleep disturbance in over 80%
-Neurological symptoms are protean and can appear AT ANY TIME during the course of infection *hypersensitivity of skin, scalp and hair *Hypersensitivity to noise, light, smell *Alterations of taste *poor balance and coordination *Uncharacteristic behavior outbursts, mood disturbances, depression *social withdrawal *New onset phobias *Oppositional behaviors *Obsessive compulsive disorders *Deterioration in school performance in over 90% *Difficulty with concentration and attention in school with easily distractibility as well as "brain fog" in over 80% *New onset of ADD
*When measured with formal neuropsychiatric testing, children demonstrate defects in auditory and visual sequential processing
Less Commonly:
*Movement disorders-spaticity, ataxia, motor or vocal tics *Cranial neuropathies, e.g. Bell's Palsy or optic nerve neuritis *Peripheral neuropathies-numbness and tingling, distal parathesias, subtle weakness
Pre-Schoolers and toddlers
- Modd swings, sudden emotional outbursts - Irritabiity - Personality changes - Regression of motor and social skills (developmental milestones) - Changes in play behavior, tire easily, less active
- Trouble falling asleep, frequent awakenings - Nightmares, new phobias, recurrence of seperation anxiety - Diaper rash unresponsive to normal treatment - Frequent URI's, ear and throat infections, bronchitis, pneumonia
Congenital Lyme Disease
* Infants can be infected with Borrelia transpacentally in any stage of pregnancy and/or via mother's breast milk.
* The co-infections: Babesia, Bartonella, Mycoplasma and perhaps even the Ehrilichias can be transmitted transpacentally to the developing fetus.
* Gestational Borreliosis can be associated with repeated miscarriages, fetal death in utero, still births, hydrocephalus, cardiovascual anomalies,
intrauterine growth retardation, neonatal respiratory distress, and maternal toxemia of pregnancy.
* Infants either infected congenitally or from breast milk can have
- Floppiness with poor muscle tone - Irritability - Frequent fevers and illness early in life - Joint sensitivities and body pain - Skin sensitivity - Gastro esophageal reflux - Developmental delays -Learning disabilities and psychiatric problems
* Infants bitten very early in life will have many of the same symptoms - loss and decline in developmental milestones.
I found this to be a pretty inclusive list of signs/symptoms for small children, infants, and those suspected of congenital Lyme.
Sadly, my two children do exhibit many of these symptoms and both have positive bands for Lyme via Igenex diagnostic lab in PALO ALTO, CALIFORNIA. Geneal, 2007
Also, see Cheryl''s LYME INFO extensive web sites on: LD DIAGNOSIS, SYMPTOMS, & TREATMENT ... wonderful! Read the area on CO-INFECTIONS! You could have from 1-10 other illnesses that tick is carrying...lyme, malaria, etc.
If you are showing symptoms of co-infections, I would like to suggest being tested for co-infections when you have LYME western blots done. It isn't cheap!! But if you are positive, you can treat the co-infections first, and then work on LYME symptoms.
Pronunciation of common co-infections from lymetoo/tutu 12-13-07
Ba BEE' see oh sis (Babesiosis) or commonly known as Ba BEE' sza (Babesia) bart un EL a (Bartonella) er LICK' ee oh sis (ehrlichiosis
___Joint pain and stiffness (often both Left and Right sides as opposed to Lyme which is often on one side only with pain and stiffness that changes locations)
___Muscle pains especially the calves; may be twitching and cramping also
___Foot pain, more in the morning involving the heels or soles of the feet (sometimes misdiagnosed as plantar fasciitis)
___Nerve irritation symptoms which can be described as burning, vibrating, numb, shooting, etc.
___Tremors and/or muscle twitching
___Heart palpitations and strange chest pains
___Episodes of breathlessness
___Strange rashes recurring on the body often, red stretch marks, and peculiar tender lumps and nodules along the sides of the legs or arms, spider veins
___Gastrointestinal symptoms, abdominal pain and acid reflux
___Shin bone pain and tenderness
Bartonella is a bacterium that causes illness, the most commonly known of which is a disease called "Cat Scratch Fever."
Thousands of known cases of Bartonella occur in the U.S. each Year, with the vast majority of known cases due to bites from fleas that infest cats or infected dogs (may also occur directly from bites and scratches from infected dogs or cats).
Bartonella can also be transmitted by ticks that transmit Lyme Disease.
In fact, in a study published recently, deer ticks from New Jersey had a higher prevalence of Bartonella organisms than of Lyme organisms.
It is unclear whether the organism that we see transmitted along with Lyme disease is actually a Bartonella species (such as B. henselae or B. quintana) or is "Bartonella-Like Organism" (BLO) that is yet to be fully identified.
While BLO has features similar to organisms in the Bartonella family, it also has features slimiar to the Mycoplasma and the Francisella (causes tularemia) families.
Posted by wtl (Member # 19883) on :
This is an interesting topic for me.
Our 3 1/2 year old often complains her legs hurt. She does this usually at night. She would go to sleep and then woke up at 1:30am and complained.
Weird thing is that when I brought this up to our LLMD who is also a pediatrician, he told us not to "look for trouble" when there is none. He never seem to be concerned that we should further seek an answer.
Posted by Amy C (Member # 19297) on :
I sent you a PM wtl.
I had the same problem with my LLMD trying to blow off my idea that my boys had it. So I found someone else to test them.
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jentytib,
That is sad because he is so little that he can't really tell you if they are weak. If you notice he gets tired easy from play and then says they hurt maybe they feel weak too?
Poor little guy! Mine are old enough to tell me which makes it easier.
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