I have trouble detoxing, have had the HLA test run that shows I have trouble detoxing lyme and mold.
I feel really poisoned if I take abx every single day, so I have to take them MWF.
What do we do if we have tests that show we have lyme toxins lingering around. How do we get them out? Everyone talks about it but I don't hear much in the way of a solution.
I take cholestyramine and do the usual detox methods but it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
How the heck are we supposed to get well if we can't get the garbage out??
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
i drink tons of decaf ice tea (sugar free) with lemon in it.
Also i try to break a sweat by wearing too many cloths layers, but not like sweating for a long time just enought to break short sweat...
* none of the above is medical advise....just my 2 cents
Posted by TxLymie (Member # 20847) on :
I'm so new to this but I had that poison feeling too from Biaxin. I stopped taking it although I know I really need to start again.
I have HP as well as Lyme and apparently I need all these abx to get rid of everything. This sucks.
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
I would highly recommend finding an experienced massage person who does lymph drainage. Find someone who has tons of experience working with the chronically ill.
Pam
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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As mentioned above, lymph massage and gentle exercise can be good . . . deep tissue massage if you can, or INFRARED LOW HEAT SAUNA (not hot sauna).
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LIVER LINKS
Here is a set of links I've collected over time. There may be some helpful information here:
. . . Individual variations in our cytochrome P40 enzymes help to demystify why there are so many variations in how we respond to drugs and herbs. . . .
The important thing to remember is that the liver is a hot (metabolically active) organ, and so tends to get congested and inflamed.
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Protection
Turmeric root, wheat sprouts, schisandra berries, amla fruit, beet root and milk thistle seed are among the major sources of protective anti-oxidants for the liver cells, as are fruits that contain flavonoids, especially citrus fruits.
These should be used to prevent development of inflammatory disease, or for damage protection as in the case of persons taking strong chemical drugs or undergoing chemotherapy.
Deficiency
The liver can become weakened and deficient. If this is not corrected, it can lead to liver atrophy and depletion of glycogen stores, even hepatitis. Signs include fatigue, low blood pressure, hypoglycemia, dry eyes, headache, heat symptoms and irritability . . . .
Heat and Inflammation
To remove excess liver inflammation with heat signs or toxins . . . .
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Pain
If there is liver inflammation with signs of pain and tension, use herbs that calm the liver and move the blood . . . .
If milk thistle is not on your plan, NAC might be considered:
This, from a protocol for Chlamydia Pneumonia (Cpn) which is a similar chronic stealth infection. This treatment protocol is also similar to that of chronic lyme.
This is what one of the protocol authors says about the power of NAC to help protet the liver:
. . . "Surprisingly, the only anti-chlamydial agent that did not cause hepatitis in some patients was NAC. In fact, NAC is recognized as being protective.
See attached references.
My conclusion is that NAC should be the first agent in an anti-chlamydial regimen and should be a constant part of the therapy for this protective effect, not to mention it's effect against elementary bodies.
In addition to information Terry has posted there, she says:
There is a page on lymeinfo.net about methylation but it just covers the theory behind the simplified protocol and not really methylation cycle issues in general.
Topic: Acetaminophen, Ibuprofen, Vicodin - Liver, Kidney, Hearing Risks even w/ normal doses
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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In addition, be sure to go unscented in your home, car and office (if you have one). Using only plant-based soaps for personal care and household will help, too.
When on the road, stay as far away from the car in front of you as possible.
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Posted by TxLymie (Member # 20847) on :
Thanks for those suggestions!!
I didn't know about the massage part. How do you find someone experienced in lyme or chronically ill detox?
Posted by Sarah182 (Member # 15774) on :
Thanks for all the info Keebler!!!
That was great!
Wish I could stay away from car exhaust..I live in a cloud of it unfortunately.
I've felt instinctively that my liver has had something to do with all my issues even before I started learning about all of this.