Search results for K-2: 13 Articles -
Posted by Abxnomore (Member # 18936) on :
Been using this brand and dose for about four years. Needs to be taken along with something that contains fat. I add the drops to water along with myBiotics vitamin D emulsion. It's good stuff!
Posted by ninjaphire (Member # 18234) on :
I use Carlson K2 (5mg), and I think it's worked pretty well for me.
I only take it at night because it tires me a bit. Some sort of mild herx I guess.
Posted by Melodymaker (Member # 16434) on :
Would eating a food each day that is high in vitamin K also be helpful?
Just sick of taking all these supplements, and looking for a natural food source instead. Be interested in your thoughts.
Posted by ninjaphire (Member # 18234) on :
Most foods "high in vitamin K" are generally high in K1.
The body can convert from K1 to K2-MK4 which is the useful form, but that conversion can is often get blocked.
Also, You could try to find some grass-fed butter.
Hope that helps ...
Posted by DeniseNM (Member # 11182) on :
I'll look into it - my myelin sheaths are all messed up!
Posted by schnuddelka (Member # 8031) on :
I use K2D3 and it brought out the bartonella, babesia and ehrlichia on my fry smear. Earlier, it was negative. Interesting!
Posted by Melodymaker (Member # 16434) on :
That is interesting schnuddelka. Is a "fry smear" the test they generally use for babesia and ehrlichia?
I tested neg for all co infections, and my dr seems to think the tests are more reliable than the Lyme tests.
So I haven't been treated for any coinfections. Makes me wonder.
Posted by Jane S (Member # 22586) on :
Has anyone looked into gender specific vitamins? I found a medical grade called Women to Women essential nutrients, it seems in line with what we need and maybe more so. I found a thread where it was mentioned, but no other info.
I just went on the site, seems good for women but? I guess it may be worth a shot. I was also considering DR. B recommended multi, but the vitamins in the women to women seemed geared to women more my age (not saying) and have higher percentages.
If anyone would like to check out and comment, I think I may order them and give them a try. (Of course in addition to eating correctly).
Hope this isn't off topic but it does have a Vitamin K from phytonadione 50mcg? Seems better than most of I have seen or right in line with some of top vitamins that may be recommended.
???
Posted by Abxnomore (Member # 18936) on :
The best vitamin K is K2 by Thorne as mentioned in the initial article. I'm not sure vitamins marketed toward women are anything more than a
marketing ploy, in that you can get the same nutrients in a supplement that is not designed for women. That is not to say that they are not good, but if you have the right counsel from an ND, acam doctor, or nutritionist etc., that is the best way to design a vitamin/supplement protocol.
Supplements can be as powerful as medications and are designed to do specific things and work in synergy with other vitamins. One really needs a medical professional to guide you as far as brands and dosages, to know which need to be taken with food and without and most essentially which ones you really should be taking.
Posted by Cold Feet (Member # 9882) on :
I just started looking into this recently, after talking to a university researcher who mentioned the value of K. My impression from this conversation is that MK4 or MK7 in the active form are most conducive to health benefits, but I am still learning about this myself.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
I totally agree with Abxnomore.
The majority of people who have taken "supplements" for some time, per Dr. K., are allergic to one, some or more. That means that they turn allergic or are incompatible with many of them, a silent reaction. Rather than aiding their body, they stress the system even more becoming more dysfunctional in the process.
Knowing now what many Lymies' situation looks like after taking the Allergie Immun test, I am not surprised that many supplements are not suitable and people react with more dysfunctions the more they take. Read the "Allergie Immun Germany" thread that is moving along here.
Do yourself a favor and read some of the information available on www.allergie-immun.de/Englisch It certainly enlightened me and I consider that one of the best therapies I ever ran into and am now doing myself to keep my husband company.
Just as Abxnomore said, man-made supplements are so highly concentrated. If they are the wrong ones, they block your energy flow; and keep the body under stress. And of course, then you take them all over again the next day.
By all means, have someone energy test you on supplements you are taking. They are highly concentrated and have powerful effects - often in the wrong direction. Or learn to test yourself with O-ring testing, armlength testing, or a tensor as I do. ART testing is fabulous, but the need for supplements changes literally every day. You will be amazed how quickly you learn.
If you understand minus and plus polarities - the sun and the moon - or hot and cold - or on and off - you will soon feel pretty good testing yourself or family members. My tensor testing very much agrees with the results of ART. But it doesn't need a doctor's appointment.
Once you eliminate the dysfunctions, the body will be satisfied with good foods again and you won't need any or very little supplementation. I am down to practically zero supplements, only paying attention to the outflow of metals and making sure I keep up with taking binders/lots of fiber.
Take care.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Fascinating info about K2 and MK4! Thanks Gigi!
Natto!! I tried to eat that a couple of times in Japan, but it's the most disgusting food I ever smelled or seen... The Japanese love that though.
Posted by Abxnomore (Member # 18936) on :
Natto is fermented. Might taste bad but it's very good for you. Try it in a pill, no after taste Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
Natto in a pill? do you mean Nattokinase in a pill? Nattokinase is the concentrated extract derived from the food Natto. People should not say Natto (the smelly food) when they really mean the extract in a pill, Nattokinase. To save time, i abbreviate nattokinase as Nattok.
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
I stopped taking Vitamin K2 menaquinone 4 (Menatetranone) and continue taking Vitamin K2-7.
Gigi, when you say Vitamin K7 is NOT a substitute for Vitamin K2 menaquinone 4 (also called Menatetranone), did you mean Vitamin K2-7 or something else, Vitamin K7?
Vitamin K2-4 and Vitamin K2-7 are both Vitamin K2.
I really need to know, because Vitamin K2-4 is expensive, and Vitamin K2-7 is not expensive, and i really need one that works to prevent osteoporosis. I was paying $50 a month for Vitamin K2-4 (Menatetranone), but i hadn't read any indication that Vit K2-7 isn't a good substitute. Dr K says it is NOT a substitute, GiGi?
---Thanks, Polly Polygonum
Posted by lakes592 (Member # 18905) on :
GiGi, I wanted to ask you I was recently trying to elimnate candida and felt flu like and know hoave this terrible feeling in my head spacey, burning brain, disconnected, trouble concentrating and just not myself. It actually feels like the base of my skull is tender and sore. I read something from Dr. K and was wondering if I may have aggravated some heavy metals. I had mt alagrams removed but never did a detox for that. Any ideas or advice??
Thanks, Ann
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
GiGi, can you confirm that Dr K has information about Vit K2-7 showing that it does not work as well as Vit K2-4 in preventing osteoporotic fractures?
I can't find any such information on pub med. Where else is this information found?
---Thanks, Important to me, ---Polly Polygonum
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Also check out Weston Price's research on the subject. Google it on that basis and you will find a group discussion on the subject which I read recently.
Hope you find the clarification you need.
Take care.
Did not mean to
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Ann, there is no doubt that anyone with a chronic disease living on this planet is exposed to toxic heavy metals. If you have removed your amalgams, but not gone through a detox, you should probably look into it.
Read www.klinghardtneurobiology.com There is a lot of information as well as several radio broadcasts by Dr. K. that you can listen to.
There is a huge amount of information available on the subject, and do look into the Allergie Immun I have posted about in several places.
It is difficult to get rid of any microbial infections without addressing these other possible problems. Read some of Dr. K.'s publications. I followed his regimen (he was my physician) and I am doing super without Lyme and a lot more of the other nasties I had to deal with.
Good luck and take care.
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
Gigi--- Ok, i found this info on the Weston Price site, which i believe contains an inaccuracy; i think he has reversed the sources of Vit K2-4 and Vit K2-7; I think, (my impression), that the Vit K2-4 is the natural extract from natto, that's why it's so expensive.
The discussion i haven't found yet. Can you give a quote, please???
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Two forms of vitamin K2 supplements are commercially available: menaquinone-4 (MK-4), also called menatetrenone, and menaquinone-7 (MK-7). MK-4 is a synthetic product that is believed to be chemically and physiologically identical to the vitamin K2 found in animal fats. This form has been used in most of the animal experiments and in the Japanese osteoporosis studies. Although synthetic, it is effective, and there is no known toxicity. MK-7 is a natural extract of natto, a fermented soy food popular in Eastern Japan. MK-4 is much less expensive than MK-7, but no studies have yet compared the efficacy of these two forms.
Menaquinone-4 Supplements: Thorne Research and Carlson Laboratories both offer cost-effective MK-4 supplements. Thorne's product is a liquid supplement. The MK-4 is dissolved in a medium-chain triglyceride base (the fats found in coconut oil) with mixed tocopherols (vitamin E). Carlson's product is less expensive than Thorne's, but comes in dry capsules primarily composed of cellulose and other fillers, and allows the user less control over the dose.
Menaquinone-7 Supplements: Jarrow Formulas and Source Naturals both offer cost-effective MK-7 supplements. Source Naturals' product is less expensive, but Jarrow's contains fewer additives and certifies that the soy used to make the product is not genetically modified. Vitamin K2 supplements interfere with the activity of oral anticoagulants such as warfarin. Patients who are using warfarin should only use vitamin K2 supplements with the knowledge of the prescribing physician. UNQUOTE
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