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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
*WHO Admits to Releasing Pandemic Virus into Population via 'Mock-Up'
Vaccines*

The document on the WHO website linked below states that it is common
procedure to release pandemic viruses into the population in order to
get a jump ahead of the real pandemic, so as to fast track the vaccine
for when it is needed.

In Europe, some manufacturers have conducted advance studies using a
so-called "mock-up" vaccine. Mock-up vaccines contain an active
ingredient for an influenza virus that has not circulated recently in
human populations and thus mimics the novelty of a pandemic virus.

According to the website, ``Such advance studies can greatly
expedite regulatory approval.''

*Sources:*

* **World Health Organization*
<http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/notes/h1n1_safety_vaccines_20090805/en/index.html>

*Dr. Mercola's Comments:*

On June 11 the World Health Organization (WHO) raised its swine flu
pandemic alert from a 5 to a 6. Phase 6 is the highest level alert,
and reflects the speed with which a virus is spreading -- not its
severity.

This classification also allows for a vaccine to qualify for a
``fast-track'' procedure for licensing and approval, and this
process is now ongoing for the swine flu vaccine.

What you may not know, however, is that WHO, together with health
officials, regulatory authorities and vaccine manufacturers, have been
working since 2007 - long before this new ``threat'' of swine flu
emerged - to ``explore a broad range of issues surrounding the
regulatory approval of pandemic vaccines.''

According to the WHO website:

/``Ways were sought to shorten the time between the emergence of a
pandemic virus and the availability of safe and effective
vaccines.''/

One such method used in Europe is to conduct /advance/ studies using
a ``mock-up'' vaccine that contains an active ingredient for an
influenza virus that has not circulated recently in human populations.

When testing these mock-up vaccines, it is very possible to release
the novel influenza virus into the population, as its purpose is to
``mimic the novelty of a pandemic virus'' and ``greatly expedite
regulatory approval.''

Government officials have other tricks up their sleeves to ensure
these new, barely tested vaccines easily make it to market as well,
such as:

Labeling the vaccine a ``strain change'' rather than an entirely
``new'' vaccine. This method states the new vaccine has built on
technology used to produce vaccines for seasonal influenza, and the
change for the pandemic vaccine is similar to a strain change used to
produce a new seasonal vaccine each flu season.

In the United States, vaccine manufacturers are required to submit
fewer data if they already have a licensed flu vaccine and will use
the same manufacturing process for the pandemic vaccine.

Using a ``rolling review procedure.'' This allows manufacturers to
submit sets of data for regulatory review ``as they become
available.'' In other words, they're free to distribute the vaccine
and then submit the safety data later on.

*Would You Want a Fast-Tracked Vaccine Injected Into Your Body?*

By very definition, fast-tracked vaccines are those that have
received very little safety testing prior to being used. So any time
you agree to get one, you are essentially a guinea pig.

Vaccine manufacturer GlaxoSmithKline has actually stated:

/"Clinical trials will be limited, due to the need to provide the
vaccine to governments as quickly as possible. Additional studies will
therefore be required and conducted after the vaccine is made
available."/

And WHO likewise says:

/``Time constraints mean that clinical data at the time when
pandemic vaccines are first administered will inevitably be limited.
Further testing of safety and effectiveness will need to take place
after administration of the vaccine has begun.''/

Why would anyone who knows the facts sign up for a vaccine that
really needs further safety studies ... but won't receive them until
AFTER it's already been given out? By then it will be too late.

So please realize that if you or your child receive a swine flu
vaccine, you will be acting as a TEST subject.

Remember this vaccine will not be made using the methods of the past.
In order to speed up the cultivation of the virus and the
manufacturing process, they're using human liver cells instead of
chicken eggs. Whether this new procedure is better or worse than the
old method, I can't say ... but it's never been used before and
they have not had time to conduct any human testing.

So, it's a giant game of Russian Roulette that you simply want to
avoid.

Nearly all of the vaccines created will also include thimerosal
(mercury), and the toxic adjuvant squalene
<http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/04/squalene-the-swine-flu-vaccines-dirty-little-secret-exposed.aspx>
, both of which have been clearly shown to carry significant health
risks.

You should know, too, that vaccine makers and federal officials have
been rendered immune from lawsuits. Should anything go wrong with this
current vaccine they will not have to pay a single cent to anyone
<http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/20/Legal-Immunity-Set-for-Swine-Flu-Vaccine-Makers.aspx>
!

*Who Stands to Benefit From the Swine Flu Pandemic (and Future
Pandemics)?*

This is the question you need to ask yourself when you hear the media
dishing out the latest statistics about the swine flu pandemic.

In the last few days alone, I've seen major news outlets warning
that come flu season, the swine flu could kill 90,000 Americans and
hospitalize 2 million. This sounds a lot like the fear-mongering that
went on during the Bird Flu pandemic (that never materialized) back in
2005
<http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/14/i-was-right-about-the-bird-flu-hoax.aspx>
.

Back then scientists and governments were congratulating themselves
for averting a threat that never was by stockpiling worthless
vaccines. Now I'm having d�j� vu.

In response to this newest swine flu pandemic, what did the Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention recently suggest?

Swine flu shots for all! Of course, what else would you expect?

As the /Washington Post/ reported
CDC said: ``As soon as a vaccine is available, try to get it for
everyone in your family.''

Well, you might be tempted to do just that if you believe the
sensational number of swine flu deaths they're predicting. But,
really, these numbers are not based on facts.

WHO continues to define the severity of the H1N1 virus to be
moderate, generally defined as an illness requiring neither
hospitalization nor even medical care. Most cases are having MILD
symptoms that clear up on their own.

Further, no one really knows for sure just how many cases of swine
flu there are, because some countries are no longer confirming them by
lab.

In the UK, for example, they now appear to be collecting swine flu
data online and via the phone, based on nothing but self-assessment.

So did they really contract the swine flu?

Or did the vast majority of them simply have a case of the sniffles
or a seasonal flu bug? Without laboratory confirmation, no one will
ever know, but they sure are using those numbers to scare you!

Going back to my original question though, you must ask yourself who
stands to benefit from all of this paranoia and hysteria.

Of course you know the answer to this one.

Big Pharma
<http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/07/28/What-are-the-Dangers-of-Mandatory-Swine-Flu-Vaccination.aspx>
... which stands to gain up to $49 billion a year on the swine flu
vaccine
<http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/13/Swine-Flu-Vaccine-Makers-to-Profit-50-Billion-a-Year.aspx>
alone plus an infinite amount on top of that for future pandemic
vaccines.

The vaccine manufacturers would love for every man, woman, and child
to heed the CDC's advice to get vaccinated. But now you know better.

The swine flu is typically a mild illness.

The swine flu vaccine has not been tested for safety or efficacy, but
we DO know it will contain harmful additives.

The choice, to me, is obvious. And in the future, anytime a new
``pandemic'' appears and officials urge you to rush out and get a
shot, please remember this article and ask yourself if it's really
you who stands to benefit from their advice.

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Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
This is outrageous to me.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Indeed.
 
Posted by opus2828 (Member # 15407) on :
 
I do not want this vaccine.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
I have a friend who is convinced the gov will try to force vaccinations on all of us. I think he's wrong. Let's hope so!
 
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
 
Vaers has taken a nose dive too. Nothing seems to be being updated.
 
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
 
We could take some actions. Like visit the flu shot locations with flyers of info about what's also in the shot and what it can do.
 
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
 
Fear mongering indeed.

I am sure BigPharma and BigGovernment are chanting "the more we scare them the more $$$ we make"
 
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
A pediatrician today said it's harmless and he recommends it for my child.
 
Posted by IckyTicky (Member # 21466) on :
 
Lymetoo..I don't think your friend is wrong at all.

There is a bit in this new healthcare bill that says basically in a pandemic those who refuse a vaccine would be considered criminals. And that they have the right to come forcefully into your home to have you take the vaccine. If you do not, you are technically a criminal.
 
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
 
I read some of this not long ago and didn't really understand what I was reading. I'm not sure I understand it now, either.

While these 'novel' strains are in the 'mock-up' vaccines, is this any more dangerous than under-tested vaccines that contain current circulating strains?

Hmmmm. I have no idea.

Hey, Icky, at this point, I figure that if I'm termed a 'criminal' or a 'terrorist' or part of an 'angry mob', I must be doing SOMETHING right!

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by wtl (Member # 19883) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IckyTicky:
Lymetoo..I don't think your friend is wrong at all.

There is a bit in this new healthcare bill that says basically in a pandemic those who refuse a vaccine would be considered criminals. And that they have the right to come forcefully into your home to have you take the vaccine. If you do not, you are technically a criminal.

Now, that's a good fairy tale. Show me the section please.
 
Posted by kitty9309 (Member # 19945) on :
 
http://newsbuster.com/Pages/content/mock-up-pandemic-vaccines-bypass-genuine-safety-testing-turning-population-into-guinea-pigs.html

"In any case, it's clear that this mock-up process is pursued by vaccine manufacturers, not the WHO itself, so I disagree with any report that states the WHO itself released a pandemic virus into the population. The WHO is merely explaining what a mock-up vaccine is. They aren't the ones manufacturing these mock-up vaccines or testing them on humans. That's being done by the drug companies."
 
Posted by wtl (Member # 19883) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by kitty9309:
http://newsbuster.com/Pages/content/mock-up-pandemic-vaccines-bypass-genuine-safety-testing-turning-population-into-guinea-pigs.html

"In any case, it's clear that this mock-up process is pursued by vaccine manufacturers, not the WHO itself, so I disagree with any report that states the WHO itself released a pandemic virus into the population. The WHO is merely explaining what a mock-up vaccine is. They aren't the ones manufacturing these mock-up vaccines or testing them on humans. That's being done by the drug companies."

Thank you, kitty for bringing this up. I wasn't going to address the issue.

Freedom of speech is great, only if one exercises with responsibility. When rumors and lies are filled this space, even occassionally, we lose credibility as a whole. I hate to see we are giving any ammunition to anyone to call us a group of mental case here because we are not.
 
Posted by cactus (Member # 7347) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by seekhelp:
A pediatrician today said it's harmless and he recommends it for my child.

So, did you get the shot for your child?

Just curious. No judgments either way from here.

Recommendations vary widely between practitioners, whichever side of the Lyme debate they are on.

My LLMD who is both my child's and my family doc, has recommended not getting the vaccine.

My mother's family doc is pushing her to get it, as she is diabetic. My mother is refusing.

And my sister-in-law's pediatrician, normally the most conservative of docs, is adamant that his patients (my nieces and nephews) do not need this shot. Huge surprise.

And... to go on record... No swine flu shots for my family, but this was after much thought - because we normally do seasonal flu shots. This time around - we're skipping, after much research and thought.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
I don't think anyone can say for sure that this vaccine is safe or not. I agree with not, since I think all vaccines have dangers I don't want to deal with. Just my opinion.
 
Posted by PB4 (Member # 20799) on :
 
Remember the Avian Flu? I'm thoroughly convinced these things are being manipulated for some reason. Perhaps it is financial gain for vaccine manufactures.

The whole thing is scary! [shake]
PB
 
Posted by Cold Feet (Member # 9882) on :
 
wtl, if ickyticky is referring to the Mass. Pandemic Bill, currently reviewed by the house, then it's not a fairy tale. This bill is days or weeks away from becoming law if the house supports it. It's Orwellian & unconstitutional; it's shocking that it got this far!

You may have seen the post -- here's an excerpt and the link:

MA Pandemic Bill allows Police to enter homes, Detain Without warrant
Written by Mike Cohen
Wednesday, 02 September 2009

A "pandemic response bill" currently making its way through the Massachusetts state legislature would allow authorities to forcefully quarantine citizens in the event of a health emergency, compel health providers to vaccinate citizens, authorize forceful entry into private dwellings and destruction of citizen property and impose fines on citizens for noncompliance.

If citizens refuse to comply with isolation or quarantine orders in the event of a health emergency, they may be imprisoned for up to 30 days and fined $1,000 per day that the violation continues.

See that discussion here (and links to the actual bill language):

Mass. Pandemic Bill
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/85506

[ 10-07-2009, 10:52 AM: Message edited by: Cold Feet ]
 
Posted by wtl (Member # 19883) on :
 
Cold feet - thank you for the clarification. I don't live in Mass so I am not familiar with the State bill. However, when one uses the term "new healthcare bill", not sure how many of us will think it is a specific state bill that no one heard of except a few.

I don't know any specifics of the Mass bill so I can't discuss.
 
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
 
Lymetoo, I think the same thing.

Right from the beginning - when vaccines were first introduced - there were those who recognized and spoke out about the dangers. And they only knew a fraction of what we know now.

Check out these links - you'll be amazed at some of what you read. I think these were originally posted by Pinelady on another thread.

The history of health (through 1994):
http://www.relfe.com/history_1.html
http://www.relfe.com/history_2.html
http://www.relfe.com/history_3.html
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
That Mass Pandemic Bill sounds HORRIBLE! What is this country coming to!?

Thanks, Truthfinder.. I'll check into those!
 
Posted by PB4 (Member # 20799) on :
 
That Mass. bill sounds like Nazi Germany! That is horrible. Is the ACLU asleep?

Pray!!!!
PB
 
Posted by Geneal (Member # 10375) on :
 
Go to You Tube and type in things like "Does the flu vaccine work?"

Also "Dangers of the Swine Flu Vaccine."

There are stories by the makers of the vaccine that state

That they themselves won't take it.

Just food for thought.

Thank God my children have already had the flu.

It was bad, but not that bad.

Hugs,

Geneal
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
I THOUGHT I heard today that they passed it. Does anyone know?
 


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