These are from today. I changed the topic subject.
As long as they are coming out, your right, I don't care what they are.
These are the exact things from before. I can only tell you that Rifing for Bart is getting these into the Bowel. I have done nothing for 4 weeks except Bart rife Sunday and again today.
I get Nauseated and feel toxic. I do a tap water enema and out they come. Relief from some symptoms follows, especially the gut wrenching anxiety.
Gary
[ 11-11-2009, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: lymetwister ]
Posted by kitty9309 (Member # 19945) on :
Those are microscopic. Bartonella would never be visible with the naked eye.
edit:
Since you removed the original electron micrograph pics of Bart, my reply no longer makes sense...
[ 11-11-2009, 03:29 PM: Message edited by: kitty9309 ]
Posted by lymetwister (Member # 19590) on :
Yes, I understand this. I just think anything is possible in this disease.
Your probably right though. I think I have searched every image on Google and I havn't come up with a match except for those who have posted this same image on curzone.com and lymphotos and a few other places.
But even these people don't know what it is.
gary
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Gary, I'd bet your parasite is a cluster of something. Could it have to do with biofilms I wonder?
Posted by kitty9309 (Member # 19945) on :
It is not possible for Bartonella to manifest itself macroscopically.
If you really think what you see is a parasite, get a doctor to order a Parasite ID.
See the following. I am sure the other major lab performs this as well.
In the lab, we occassionally get unknown specimens submitted for exam.
LT, kitty had a good suggestion to try a Parasite ID. However, I know the CDC wasn't useful in this regard.
Ultimately, it may be easier to forget about what it is and try various treatment experiments with your LLMD.
Ivermectin, Albendazole, etc.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I would be thinking of a good name. Better lock
them up. Someone will be trying to get them for
patent. My doc said I could do Vermax if I wanted
to be sure I didn't have any critters.
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
I would say they are giardia cysts except that they are about 5 times too large. I used to find them in hubby's undies when doing laundry before his parasite treatment.
Bea Seibert
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
Wow . Its amazing they just keep on coming.... IT seems no matter what we have it is near impossible to get rid of them faster than they can continue to make more and more of themselves.
Uhhggg.. So frustrating.
Sorry you have those thing in you whatever they are and in a way.. well... maybe that will help guide your treatment? I do not know.
But if you feel better when they come out. Keep on doing what your doing..
But .. Do you think they are living in your intestines?
Would if you fasted for a good while and drank only Salt Water or something that would disinfect your WHOLE digestive system
Do not give them anything they can eat or live on.
Do you think that you have figured out their life cyle?
THis is some crazy stuff.
Feel better
Posted by lightparfait (Member # 22022) on :
Wow...interesting pictures. Never saw anything like that before in such quantity !
could it possibly be a form of fungus or candida with parasites...
Would love to know.
Glad you are getting some relief!
Posted by kitty9309 (Member # 19945) on :
Giardia cysts are microscopic.
Posted by kitty9309 (Member # 19945) on :
springshowers said:
"Would if you fasted for a good while and drank only Salt Water or something that would disinfect your WHOLE digestive system"
Bad idea. That could be deadly.
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
Gary, I like Kitty's idea but if that doesn't work out with an allopathic doctor you might have more luck going to an N.D..
Just because you are rifing for bart and getting results doesn't mean these are related to bart. Just means that the same frequency works for both.
I hope you get to the bottom of this and get rid of these things.
Funny James. Those aren't cute like tribbles but they sure seem to multiply just as fast.
Terry
Posted by WildCondor (Member # 434) on :
Have you had a GI doctor chime in and give an opinion as to what they might be? I would call a bunch of different labs, ask them how to preserve the things, and sample them out. Someone has got to know! Can you get a better photo, a macro of them in high resolution for us? Maybe Genova Diagnostics?
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
I took a couple of these things (they look exactly like this) to my LLMD - he sent them to a lab and they said "not parasitic"
Sorry but these are SOME type of parasite - eggs, something!!
I have heard everything from Liver Fluke eggs to some type of round worm eggs.
I got some out after a Humaworm cleanse and also with a Liver Flush. I remember seeing these things when I was very sick over 20 years ago - I thought they were part of my illness.
Posted by nomoremuscles (Member # 9560) on :
I would not bother with trying anything conventional in terms of testing this thing. I would completely forget about identification. What will it get you?
Unless problems or syx fall into very specific boxes, our medical system is not suited to figuring things out. In my opinion, you are only going to be met with attitude from physicians, waste a lot of time and precious energy, and end up in a worse state of frustration.
I would work on killing the crap off.
So far you have stumbled on many killing regimens that seem to work, but after each the die off becomes unbearable. If it were me, I would pick one modality that you feel confident with, be it abx, rife, or any of the various other antimicrobials, and start VERY SLOWLY and build up at a pace you can tolerate. Do just one thing at a time until you are not herxing or improving any longer. Then move on: add another drug or frequency (or longer times), or try another method. But be steady and consistent. I think that's the only way you'll able to be able to bang down your bug load enough for any kind of real relief.
Very aggressive trx is no good if you cannot tolerate it and have to keep stopping -- you never get ahead. For many who are very sick, this is a very slow process.
Good luck.
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
Mojo,
Maybe you are right -- maybe they are masses of roundworm eggs -- hubby had both giardia and ascaris (roundworms).
Bea Seibert
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I think Vets know more than people docs about these things. Since they have to deal with so many different animals. May be worth a shot.
Posted by IckyTicky (Member # 21466) on :
That is amazing. So... how big are these things in actuality? I don't see how they could be eggs of anything... eggs don't have ...filanges or whatever those are... do they?
I agree.. not Bart but obviously Bart frequencies get those guys! I say keep rifing and doing the enemas. And while I wouldn't do a complete salt water diet... I'd def. do some fasting of some sort if possible.
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
They look like some sort of nematodes?
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
Bee and tree - Some folks insist the legs that consist of "links" like sausages are the eggs of nematodes. Others say they are eggs of Liver Flukes.
I know I had Liver Flukes when I passed these because I passed flukes as well. I've never passed roundworm but I never rule anything out and Ascaris has popped up in my NP's diagnosis machine thingy.
the drops he made for me are definately causing die off that I typically get with parasite treatment (ithcy head with occassional red bumps that hurt like heck). I am rifing for parasties every two weeks too.
They are commonly referred to as 'cotton balls with legs' - Mine look EXACTLY like the ones in this photo.
I would like these to be identified just so I know what they are but will keep treating as muscles suggests!
Posted by TxLymie (Member # 20847) on :
Ok peeps
Can you please explain to me how you are getting pictures of this stuff? I am totally grossed out thinking that I guess you go through your feces and put them under a microscope?
I've seen various pictures all over the internet and I always wonder how common everyday people are getting these. Do you have a lab, microscope or something set up at home?
I can understand why people do this but I just don't know if I would have the stomach to do this.
Please enlighten me!
Posted by JR (Member # 16898) on :
Ha! So everyday is April 1st!
Posted by twingirl (Member # 13172) on :
can you tell me what frequencies you are using for Bartonella??
thankx
Posted by TxLymie (Member # 20847) on :
So no one wants to answer my question????
How the heck are you getting these pictures. Someone please tell me
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
I also would like your Bart freqs. I don't know if I would be able to forget it and bypass someone not telling me what in the heck these nasty things were coming out of me.
I can understand your obsession Gary. I would go the ND path also.
Pam
Posted by lymetwister (Member # 19590) on :
Just unloaded about 100 more today. They just keep on coming.
I used Freq. 832
I'm telling you, I get lots of relief after these come out.
They will only come out with a tap water enema in my case.
I do almost 2 liters when I feel the nausea coming on.
Gary
Posted by Healerdealer (Member # 23032) on :
Gary - looks like you got some kind of nematodes. You lucked out by zapping them with the bart frequencies.
But I hate to tell you - they ain't alone. Humaworm would take care of all the parasites.
Worked for me!
There is always something new to learn.
Peace
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
How many minutes to you rife on 832? Thanks
I'm doing 6 minutes on 832 and 6 on 1518 on the same day I do Lyme and now Erlich.
Posted by sammy1 (Member # 12754) on :
gary- i just got out a bunch of these last night after i did a liver/ gb cleanse. i think they plug the bile ducts. go to lymephotos.com you will see more pics of them. i am on salt c and that's what seems to kill them, not rifing, imho.
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
I think I've seen these same parasite in my bowl...
Roy
Posted by Cold Feet (Member # 9882) on :
So, just to echo the question, how are big are these little *******s? E.g, in millimeters?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I had these, too. I'm not exactly sure what they are but I assume they are some kind of parasite.
I used a product by Dr. Schulze called Intestinal Cleanse #2. It's charcoal, psyllium, apple pectin, bentonite clay & some other herbs.
It worked really well to pull them out after I did a couple weeks of wormwood, cloves, & black walnut hulls. Interesting that the Rife would be effecting them. That's good.
FYI - these parasites are visible to the naked eye. You don't need a microscope. They are about 5-10 mm.
I have read that when you kill the parasites, it unleashes other things like viruses, other parasites, yeasts, heavy metals. It's good to use something that will pull the toxins out.
I've been using the Dr. Schulze product & taking saunas & steam baths.
Some of the parasites can be microscopic. So, it's good to just keep working on it as a general therapy. You have to stop for a while & change the protocol so they don't build up an immunity to what you are using.
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Those aren't cute like tribbles but they sure seem to multiply just as fast.