Just read Dr. W's chapter in the "Insights into Lyme Treatment" book. He is a doctor in Germany who bases treatment on a Bionic 880 machine, and detox programs to go with that treatment. The Bionic 880 treats using photons (light) being shot at the person in various ways, including getting the body to fight the various lyme bacteria the person has been determined to have. Perhaps you could say it's somewhat of a "homeopathic" treatment.
There is a Photonic Energetics machine that can be purchased in the US that is a lot cheaper than the Bionic 880 machine. I have heard that it is similar, but I don't know how good one would do with just the machine. The doctor's treatment plan and expertise and detox formulas and all that have to be part of why he has such success.
Wondering if anyone knows, any doctors in the US that treat using the Bionic machine, or any approach like it?
Michael
[ 03-21-2010, 05:21 PM: Message edited by: sixgoofykids ]
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I went to Germany to see Dr. W for this treatment. I am in remission now because of it.
Anyway, I *think* there is a doc out west somewhere who uses it, west of Ohio anyway. Colorado maybe?
If you search the forum, perhaps it will come up. Someone went there recently. IMO, considering that temporary housing is less expensive in Germany, I don't think it saves much to do the treatment in the US. Plus, I thought Dr. W was also very reasonably priced.
Posted by f13girl (Member # 23844) on :
Sixgoofy- does the german treatment only treat for lyme and there fore if your symptoms are bart/babesia you would get no relief? I thought I had read that- in general what do you think is the success rate of this treatment from the people you know who've used it. Have you heard of any severe neuro cases i.e. MS type symptoms -jerking etc get well?
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
f13girl, biophotons of any kind stir up microorganisms of any type as well as toxic substances (toxic heavy metals, chemicals, etc.) which are all part of Lyme Disease and certainly MS type illness or chronic disease. The fallout for us was a major setback, all around.
Take care.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
f13girl, you start out with borrelia treatment. After I returned home I treated the other infections, too. I also did a lot of detox and parasite treatment, too.
Everyone I know who went started other treatments when they got back, so it's hard to say how it would work for them. I stuck with biophotons only for Lyme and coinfection treatment and got well from it.
I had bad CNS symptoms, but didn't get the MS stuff, mine was more cognitive type symptoms.
I still had babs and bart when I returned, but not Lyme. I had thought most of my symptoms came from babs before I went and when I got home I did have air hunger that drove me nuts along with some fatigue. I drank tonic water when I went to Italy and was away from my Bionic for two weeks and it helped tremendously, so I continued with that as needed when I returned.
As I continued to treat and continued to heal, the babs and bart also went away. The REST periods are equally important to the treatment periods with the biophotons. There were some who over-treated and it made them have all kinds of problems. It was a slow process, but now I ART test negative for all Lyme and co.
Posted by f13girl (Member # 23844) on :
Is ART testing the same a muscle testing? curious on that since .. is that what dr. k does? muscle tests?
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Autonomic Response Testing has been developed over many years by Dr.K. It is a form of muscle testing. It is not comparable to Applied Kinesiology, which also is a form of muscle testing but very different from ART. If you go through the internet, you will probably find a video with Dr.K. that shows how it is done. I ran into it the other day when looking for other info. So try to google "Autonomic Response Testing Dietrich Klinghardt, MD". You will probably get a hit. There are many that do it, but doing it right is the trick. And remember it only shows what is priority to the body at the here and now. It may reveal more and different problem areas as you progress with treatment the next time you get tested.
Take care.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Yep, what she said. Posted by atheana (Member # 14273) on :
I went to Germany as well and feel 90% better. I am working with a Dr now who is using muscle testing with nosodes.
He said I have allergies to Gluten and other things.
I am under alot of stress right now, and feel it in my shoulders,neck and back.
Also, I find when I am around EMF's I feel tired and weak.
But this treatment gave me my life back!
Now I have to work on treating my body with care.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I was very sensitive to EMF's when I returned from Germany, too. It's gotten better, but I still wear a watch that's protective.
That's awesome that you're doing so much better!!!
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I still use the Bionic 880 from time to time about once a week. I don't think it is a miracle cure, but it does seem to be an effective tool for some of us to help manage infections.
As I understand, Dr. W no longer uses the Bionic 880 .
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
What's your current health status Scott? We've heard so little from you.
Posted by ahmet ozbek (Member # 14358) on :
i didn t any benefit from bionic 880 treatment
Posted by ahmet ozbek (Member # 14358) on :
i didn t any benefit from bionic 880 treatment
Posted by ahmet ozbek (Member # 14358) on :
i didn t any benefit from bionic 880 treatment
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I'm approaching 90%... Still working on a few things and have a few bumps now and then, but overall, feeling pretty good.
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
My girlfriend went to Germany this winter. She was very sick when she left around 25% now she hits days where she is 50% and is able to go out nearly every day for a few hours. She has purchased a Bionic machine so she will continue to treat by herself. As for testing we have been using a Biotensor that she bought from Bioplasma and once she learned how to use it it turned out to be very useful.
Posted by Tracy9 (Member # 7521) on :
I would also highly recommend an infrared sauna. You can buy them at amazon.com and get free shipping, and spend anywhere from $1,000 to $1,500 for a beautiful sauna.
I am using a friend's now and it REALLY helps with symptoms from Lyme and coinfections. In fact, our very conservative LLD who has never recommended anything stronger than a probiotic is now recommending them to all his patients, based on success with his personal use.
If you buy one, be sure and get CARBON not CERAMIC.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I'm in my first year of remission. This month, it's been exactly ONE year I ended my photon treatment using the PE1 and nosodes (documented in the long thread "PE1 and the Bionic treatment").
It is the best anti infective treatment against BORRELIA in my opinion, but only that. For other things, you need to treat with other methods.
My daughter got to remission in May 09 like me (both from borrelia and from lyme treatment) but then relapsed shortly in January 2010.
It took her less than 3 weeks of treatment (about 3 treatments) to put it again in remission. She only had symptoms for about a week (pain in her knee), but borrelia treatment kept testing for about 3 weeks up to end of January. Then she went again symptom free and treatment free. So far, it's been then only 4 months.
I found out a scar from her birth in her neck that I decided to treat, probably from cesarean operation... So let's see. We're both in a sort of AI treatment too for many months. And still spilling out toxins.
I still didn't relapse, so it is my first lyme free aniversary since I caught lyme. So for me, I have NO DOUBT to use it again, in case of reinfection or relapse.
But it is clearly mainly an anti infective treatment, unless you couple infra red with many other modes of treatment such as scar treatment, interference field treatment, MFT treatment, acupuncture treatment, and 'take' other homeopathics with it.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Scott, before you went to dr. W., you were on constant abx for years. I remember you stopped abx since you returned, for the first time in years.
Don't you think that the Bionic was an effective anti-infective treatment?
I would sincerely appreciate your comments on that, as I know you had been a resistant case in the past.
And congrats on your 90%!! You deserve to be well!
Posted by Lee (Member # 23768) on :
I just spoke with someone who is currently being treated by Dr. W. Right now he is still using the bionic, but is developing a new infrared machine with more frequencies that may also, he says, be able to treat cancer. It is not ready, yet, though.
Lee
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
I used the bionic once or twice a month for a year after going to Germany and I am better, but not nearly 100%.
I found when I got back from my treatments with Dr. W, my levels of bartonella and candida etc. were much lower. I treated the bart and feel I am rid of it.
I also used the bionic to treat some allergies and got rid of most of my food allergies that way.
I don't think the bionic works for everyone, but neither do antibiotics or homeopathy etc.
Hiker53
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
I wonder if he used AI therapy now?
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
Brussels - what is scar treatment?
Posted by lightparfait (Member # 22022) on :
Scars cause chaos or disruptions in the energetic field, so the body will not go into balance no matter what therapy you do, until you eliminate the blockages caused by the scars. A practitioner cannot test you accurately if you are blocked with scars until treated, although they can find the problem scar blockage and find what will open it for you with ART.
This is one of the first things Dr. K. looks for clinically. Different techniques to rid of the scar interference field. To smooth it so energy flow is available.
Scars that cross the midline (cesarian, gall bladder surgury, hysterectomy, even some tatoos and body piercings, and specifically the deep incision types are usually the main problems with this...minor scars may cause no disruptions...but must test all scars. sometimes even pierced ears in some people can cause disruptions.
Dr K suggests Procaine injections...called Neural therapy, for deep scars. And laser treatments, mud packs, EFT tapping points or other things for lesser scars can be enough. Treatment can move quite rapidly after issues with scars are resolved.
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Colorado maybe?