Ten months ago, I took doxycycline as a preventive measure and had a full-blown reaction from the trigeminal nerve on the right side of my face. After I stopped the doxy, the pain slowly died away. The upper molars and gums on that side have been quite sensitive ever since. Several months ago, I felt some swelling at the top of the gum over my second molar; my dentist says that I need a root canal for that tooth; there is "something" at the end of the root. I sense that this is related to my Lyme disease and is not simply some bacterial infection. Any thoughts on this? Thank you!
Posted by lightparfait (Member # 22022) on :
DO NOT GET A ROOT CANAL!!!!
This is the cause of more problems with the immune system....big issues if you get one.
Research before getting one for you health! Then you will feel good about your informed decision.
Many only learned too late...like me. Wish someone told me the facts before I had three!
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
I used to have some. No longer. They almost killed me - not the Lyme.
Take care.
Posted by julielynne4 (Member # 20336) on :
What if we are supposed to have a root canal...do we just have the tooth pulled instead? Do we just deal with the pain? Does it go away with Lyme treatment?
And what about our already-completed root canals. Do we leave them alone, or do we have them removed? I have so much in my mouth (fillings, bridge, root canals, posts, crowns) that I wouldn't know where to begin.
JL
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
Well that's a scary article!! I don't have any, but my husband has several.
Kathy
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
Hi guys, I just graduated from dental school this year, and am wondering what the big deal is about root canals and lyme and if theyre related at all. Ben... if you need a root canal, it is because you have a cavity that has extended in to your pulpal tissue, and you have swelling above your molar because it has extended to the bone and soft tissue and is now and abscess. Treatment for this would either be a root canal if you want the tooth saved, or extraction of the tooth which I would think be quite unnecessary. Root canals will remove the infected tissue and replace it with gutta perca, a rubber inert material. The only other option of why your tooth needs a root canal is due to trauma of that tooth. If your tooth got knocked, then there is inflammation which if gone overload will lead to death of the pulp and need of a root canal. If anyone has any questions I would love to answer them.
Posted by Heleneh (Member # 21207) on :
I have lyme and coinfections. I had several root canals. All of them became infected and I had the teeth slowly pulled. I will never have another root canal. That is just my experience. When I go to have my teeth cleaned, they spend less than 5 minutes with me because they tell me my teeth are very clean. They should be as I clean them every time I eat. For me my dentist told me it is the lyme affecting the roots of my teeth. But it is between you and your dentist.
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
Hmmm I never heard of that, good to know!!! To me it just doesn't make much sense, as it should start in the crown aspect of the tooth and make its way down to the root and bone. I wish there was some sort of paper on it, ha. Best of luck with everything!
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
You may want to check out Stealth Killer by Nordquest DMD. He has done a lot of research on it.
Many people say they remove their root canals and they all of a sudden feel better.
I have so many root canals but I am not ready to go in and pull all my teeth.
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
Hmm interesting. I'll definitely have to look in to it. All i'm going to say is that make sure you get second opinions, as some people are just out there to make a quick buck. For example, some dentists will remove amalgams and replace them with composite restoration because it is easy, not time consuming and they make a lot of money. They claim that amalgam is unsafe, but there are no studies proving so, and it is recognized by the government as having no effects, you get more mercury from salmon you eat. To me, taking out root canals is dangerous, because you are opening up the tooth to get reinfected again. Pulling the tooth is an option, but a radical one at that. Good idea Haley to leave the root canals, and thanks a lot for the post!!!
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Read it and weep....
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
Thanks for the post GiGi, I'm just too busy to read it, it's so long!! I'm sure that if root canals were detremental to a person's health, they would have abolished them when the research came out. I personally have done many, and have three in my mouth, and it took me completely out of pain. I should have been brushing and flossing! haha. take care
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
You can do a TOPAS test (chairside/inexpensive) to find out the condition of the root canal. Do a search here, I talked about it many times.
Root canals are bad - they cause cavitations, when the jawbone turns to mush and the microbes have a field day.
I don't know any dentist who after a few years of practice stays healthy. Two I know personally had heart attacks in their early thirties. Now 25 years later, they still have problems. Canada Health admits that nearly 25% of their dentists are on disability. That statistic was published in the late 1990's. I have a copy of portions of it.
Inform yourself. Search here - I have been talking about it here since 2000 and of course you have the internet.
Take care.
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
They had heart attacks from doing root canals? My entire family is of dentists, as well as my 30 classmates, and not a single one of us is sick? Root canals don't cause a cavitation, the bacteria cause the cavitation, root canals clean it out to remove the bacteria. I agree dentists are on disability, the majority though are due to back problems from bending over all day and rheumatoid arthritis. I know of many dentists who are disabled because of this, but nothing due to root canals. If it posed such a huge problem, they would have got rid of it already. I'm not trying to argue, I'm just trying to seewhere you're coming from, I appreciate the info. Take care Gigi, all the best
Posted by jkmom (Member # 14004) on :
After a couple of months on abx, I had some pain in a tooth that already had a root canal done on it. An Xray showed some swelling. My dentist sent me to an endodontist.
He thought it needed to be redone but knew enough about Lyme to check with my LLMD. My LLMD told me to wait as long as I could, but if I had to have it done, to do it.
The endodontist thought I should have it done and was concerned that the pain meant there was an infection that was being masked by my abx.
I decided to wait and see and one day I realized the pain was gone. It has been over a year and still no pain.
That was my experience. I'm not sure what this means from a dental perspective, but I am glad I didn't do anything to it.
Posted by julielynne4 (Member # 20336) on :
quote:Originally posted by bigz123: I'm sure that if root canals were detremental to a person's health, they would have abolished them when the research came out. I personally have done many, and have three in my mouth, and it took me completely out of pain.
I agree the link Gigi posted was long- but I was able to scan through it in several minutes. I hope you can do the same...especially considering your profession.
Unfortunately, this assumption that you made that if root canals were detrimental to a person's health, that they would have been abolished...that is the same type of thinking made my physicians regarding Lyme Disease. It is assumed that whatever the doctors do, whatever the government and the CDC says, well that must be true. And because of this type of thinking, this refusal to listen to evidence of the contrary, people suffer and die every day.
I personally do not know much at all about root canals, amalgams, etc...but as a person with Lyme disease and coinfections, I will research and learn and keep my mind open to things that will be new to me. If all of my root canals and fillings could be holding my body back from getting well, then I want to know why and what to do about it.
I hope my own dentist has an open mind as well - because I continue to need work done, cavities filled, crowns put on...
Thanks for this thread - very interesting! JL
Posted by julielynne4 (Member # 20336) on :
I also had an experience where my endodontist wanted to give me a root canal "just in case" because of the excruciating pain I was in. There was nothing seen on x-rays, and I really really did not want another root canal, especially since the doc seemed to be so unsure as to which tooth it was.
After several more days, the pain was gone, and it has not been back.
Posted by farraday (Member # 21494) on :
I have been with the same dentist for 30 years. He is considered to be one of the best in the Bay Area. He said that my teeth grinding, which I cannot seem to help, is wearing my teeth down to the bone. One has snapped off at the base.
When I recently had a root canal for an abscessed tooth, I asked him to send me to the specialist who treats his wife! Great choice! The guy did a wonderful job. He first opened it to allow it to drain for 4 days. Then he did the root canal.
Now then, the reaction I had. It was horrific! I was sick as a dog for two weeks. We think it was a combination of the Clindamycin he gave me for the abscess and the reintroduction of more bacteria into my body, which is already fighting the Lyme and other bugs with Bicillin.
I'm fine now and I don't think I would have done it any differently. I kept my tooth. I am also being fitted for yet another mouth guard. I have trouble sleeping with them, but will try again.
I know that this miserable disease has affected my teeth in a terrible way. All you have to do is look at photos of me 25 years ago and see my beautiful white teeth. No more. They look terrible. My dentist said that all the years of illness, meds, trauma have taken their toll. Most of the enamel is gone.
I try to look at the bright side. My poor mother died of "ALS" which I am sure was LD...so did my cousin. I am still kicking, swearing and making a fuss!!! And that's fine with me! Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
Thanks Julie. One thing they taught us in dental school was evidence based decision making. There have been numerous papers on the effectiveness of removing bacteria from infected canals to save the tooth, as farraday had done. I will skim through the article presented and be objective when reading it, but I don't believe I will base my decision on a paper written by a single dentist. If you go on to pubmed's database search, you will find hundreds of articles on the effectiveness of root canals, and you will not find a single one on them being detrimental to a patient. This is a scientific database with journal articles from all over the world. I agree, after a root canal, you may experience some pain, which is completely normal. But it will rid any of the bacteria that were involved in the root canal in the first place, and seal the tooth so it doesnt get reinfected. I am all for research, and if papers show up researching this, I think dentists might take it more seriously. You must keep in mind that this is a dentist, who just like the leader of the anti-amalgamists, is out there to make a quick buck. The leader of the anti-amalgamist is now practicing dentistry in fled to Mexico, because he was making false claims about amalgam and taking patient's money. I respect your opinion on the matter, and hope that you can do some research on the safety and effectiveness of root canal therapy. I am definitely open to any more questions!!
Farraday -- Yes, meds lead to a condition called xerostomia which is essentially a dry mouth. This leads to the accumulation of bacteria to from decay and stain. If you have any questions or concerns I would be more than happy to help!
Posted by julielynne4 (Member # 20336) on :
Thanks bigz- you make sense, and I understand your points. I should add that I am not opposed to root canals - I have had numerous ones, and they have taken away agonizing pain for me. I have always defended root canals to people who are skeptics - especially those who are scared to get them done.
For me, having root canals has meant the end of pain - so, obvioiusly, they have worked. I tell people who are afraid of the pain of root canals that they should be more afraid of the pain they are already in. I have generally felt nothing more than relief after root canals. That is, except in one case when the pain afterwards almost brought me to the hospital.
So, I will gladly do research on the safety of root canals, but I don't doubt that they are safe...in general. My only point tonight is that there may be information out there that is unknown to many, which may explain how something can actually be more harmful than beneficial to certain people.
Considering what my family and I have been through with tick borne illnesses, I am the first to look at information that may help my children and myself to get well sooner. I don't know if amalgams and root canals will hurt us in the long run, but I certainly will take the input from the people here whose research and intelligence I respect so highly.
Have a good night! (morning?) JL
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Root canals are not painful. Because the teeth are dead. The problems start when they fail and the surrounding area becomes involved because of the release of the toxins they produce.
Just think for one minute what would happen if amalgams were declared toxic by the ADA, in all states, not only in California. Google for court case. The major manufacturer of amalgam in Germany stopped production years ago.
Take care.
Posted by suki444 (Member # 18960) on :
Please can someone advise what do you do instead of a getting root canal though?
If you pull the tooth surely the others will become unevenly spaced - is pulling the tooth and getting an implant instead the best option?
Posted by Stefan (Member # 19150) on :
My 2 cents about root canals!
I am from Germany and have some root canals.
They all became infected after a while.(In x ray)
I went to an specialist for Endodontolgie. They are not a normal dentist - they only fix root canals which were not properly prepared before.
He made a complete revision of the old root canals. Cleaned them, fixed them. And there is no further infection.
1. It takes like 5 hours per single tooth.
2. Insurance pays nothing . its like 2000 � per tooth
WHEN IS A REVISION NECESSARY? Often a tooth has been root canal already. If after the first root canal treatment performed in the tooth germs still remain, they can later frequently a chronic, but also provide an acute inflammation at the root tip. We then see the x-ray was indeed a root canal treatment, namely, the root filling, but possibly also a new (or not healed old) inflammation. The existing root filling may be uneven in the radiograph (inhomogeneous) appear, or too short. In these cases, apparently in the cavities left behind bacteria that can cause inflammation. Whether this is already visible in the X-ray image depends on the defense capacity of the body. In each case, then should the old, unsuccessful root canal treatment to be revised so that the infection can be removed. Thus, the "time bomb defused" and the tooth will be longer term.
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
Gigi, I'm not too sure what you're getting at with root canals. I agree, they can definitely fail. Either an inexperienced dentist, one who rushes, or one who should have referred to an endodontist can leave residual decay, or miss a lateral canal, will which just reinfect the tooth again. If this is the case, then it does have to be retreated by an endodontist like Stefan had done. We have guidelines here in Canada over the use of amalgam. Not only does it, but many journal articles declare the safety of it. There is no doubt in my mind that one day its use will be stopped completely, as had the Germany manufacturer. Not because it's unsafe, but because technology is producing newer and better filling materials like composite, which is more esthetically pleasing, has lower thermal conductivity, etc. Suki, in terms of what to do if you really don't want a root canal, yes, getting the tooth pulled and having an implant placed would be the best option. Although I feel this is radical, it would be your best option after opting out of a root canal. With the tooth lost, you will most likely lose space in your arch, as well as the bone will resorb in the area of the tooth loss. An implant will prevent movement as well as bone resorption. Implants have a high success rate, but you have to make sure you have enough bone before getting the tooth pulled, otherwise you will have to go for bone augmentation, and the entire procedure will be quite expensive. hope this helps feel free to ask anything else!
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
(www.allergie-immun.de /English) Allergies/dysregulations - we know more today than when this was written.
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
I appreciate that post, but like I said there are a few dentists out there who are part of the anti-amalgam party. These are the dentists in your website called " Healing teeth naturally." This is not a scientific journal article published in a credited journal. There are going to be dentists out there who scare you in to thinking they are unsafe and will make money in the process. I am not arguing with you that mercury is not safe, because it isn't. But dental amalgams contain 3% mercury that is only released upon mastication. This amount is extremely minute compared to the mercury we obtain from eating fish, the environment, etc. If you go to the ADA and CDA website, they both answer all questions on amalgam for you, and if you go to pubmed, there are numerous articles on the safety of it. I completely respect your opinion on the matter, and if you feel necessary to not get amalgams, then don't. I have been taught and believe that they are safe, as do journal articles. I have seen many many patients in their later years with mouth full of amalgams ( 16-17 complete restorations) and they are completely fine. Never once have I heard of someone complain about them. The only complaint I get is the lack of esthetics they give.
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
I think that the main issue here is Lyme patients with root canals not just root canals.
Lyme patients tend to have infection in their root canals. I have had three root canals re-treated. I also have 2 other root canals that I can tell have a mild but bearable infection.
I would get implants but people say implants are not good either for Lyme patients. To me it seems like it would be healthier to have something in the bone than nothing. Not to mention you need the function of a tooth that you can bite down on.
Plus I'm too vain to go around with no teeth.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
That's enough for today. Enjoy your Sunday everybody.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Suki, to answer your question: as long as you have infections brewing in a still toxic body, it is not a good idea to get an implant. I had one -- it was the first to go, along with the root canals.
If I had to do it all over again, I would pull the troublecausing tooth and get an innocent partial to replace it, rather than starting with bridges, leading to another root canal, leading to another root canal, etc. That is how I ended up with 12 of them. Grinding down teeth to support bridges is what eventually kills them.
Implants are now made in Germany of non-metal material and will at least avoid electrogalvanism with other metals that are already in your mouth. But the terrain has to be healthy and that cannot happen with amalgams in the mouth.
Take care.
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
Haha, please tell me you don't actually beleive that. Like I said, there needs to be scientific research in credited journals. Not amateur home videos, or " healing teeth naturally" websites. I agree it can be toxic, but it only represents 20 mg/day when the total intake is 130 mg/day. This 20 mg/day comes from a person with 18 amalgam fillings, which most people dont even have close to having. Actual body burden due to amalgam estimated as <0.5% of total. Hal Huggins was the original proponent of amalgam removal. In 1995, he was prosecuted by the State of Colorado for false advertisement and reckless endangerment of patients he was treating who had life-threatening diseases from which they did not recover. He continues to sell things from that location on the web. The details of the adjudication can be reviewed by clicking on the information in the panel above . He has since moved his office to Mexico City, Mexico and continues to practice and promote amalgam replacement. Why doesn't he practice at home in the United States???
There is an article on mercury controversy by Dr. Stephen Bayne, just one of the many articles showing the safety of amalgam.
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
Suki please go to your dentist for their opinion. I will admit I don't know that much about root canals in lyme patients, so I won't tell you what to do in that sense, I just know they are safe and effective in non-lyme patients. The problem with a partial is that you will have bone loss under the partial as there is no tension in the bone. Also, if people want to bring up hazardous materials, it is made of acrylic, which has carcinogenic agents in it. You could get a bridge if an implant is not satisfactory in lyme patients, which again I do not know much about. To get a bridge, you would NOT need to get root canals on the abutment teeth ( Teeth on either side of the missing tooth space) They would drill crown preparations on each tooth to sit the bridge. I am more than happy to answer any more questions you may have. My advice is please talk to your dentist, and if you don't feel satisfied, get a second opinion.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi bigz,
I am going to a dental school here in Philadelphia to get work done. I have lost my back teeth on the bottom of my mouth on both sides due to periodontal disease.
I only have 6 teeth left on the bottom. The student wants to do a partial on either side. She said that the last tooth on the right side needs a root canal.
There is no swelling or pain in that tooth and I was wondering if I could eliminate the need for a root canal in that tooth? Any insight would be appreciated,
Thanks, Gael
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
Hi Glm, are your only teeth remaining your front 6 teeth, ie. from you bottom right canine to bottom left canine?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Yes those are the teeth remaining on the bottom from canine to canine. Horrifying to me, but that's the way it is.
I had severe neuro Lyme and at one point my head went completely numb. It caused my teeth to literally crumble out of my mouth a little at a time. To add, I had lots of amalgam fillings in the teeth that I lost.
Gael
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
Well the student would have to have a reason as to why to do a root canal. Sometimes after running tests, the tooth is deemed non vital, due to chronic pulpitis. Chronic pulpitis is not painful, but can become acute pulpitis which is quite painful. It wouldn't make any sense to put a partial then have a tooth fail just to make a new one. Perhaps ask your student as to why they want to do a root canal. Is the tooth badly broken down and in need of a new core and crown?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Thanks so much for your input. I will ask her for feedback.
P. S.
The tooth is not broken down at all, however the tooth next to it broke off leaving a piece. I am having oral surgery to remove some root tips on some of the back teeth.
Gael
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
You probably just stirred up the keets... it may get better with time.
My dentist thought I might need a root canal on a failed re-crowning....
I kept waiting for the re-crowned tooth to heal on its own. Took almost a year. It's still a tiny bit sensitive, but he had wanted me to go for a second opinion and I declined.
I think I saved myself from a root canal by not going!
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Thanks TuTu,
I have a feeling that you are right. I really don't want to get this root canal.
BigZ, you are stepping into a longrunning controversy here on lymenet. Just so you understand some of the replies you got. Nice to have someone with technical expertise on the forum to answer questions. Just don't get sucked into the controversy and feel a need to reply.
The thing is the lyme patients seem to have more than the average amount of dental troubles. And it is hard to tell which problems are due to lyme and which are the more usual culprits. Lyme affects nerves, which can give people pain in teeth, and TMJ. So, the issue becomes whether to keep doing dental fixes, or wait to see if lyme treatment calms down the tooth pain. And sometimes you can have both things going on at the same time. Very confusing for dentist, patient, and lyme doctor.
Posted by linky123 (Member # 19974) on :
I just had several root canals pulled. Three had infected the bone, and also a cyst.
I have had pain and severe headaches on the left side of my face for nine years. After the teeth were extracted and cleaned out the pain was gone.
When removed from your mouth, dental amalgam is considered toxic waste by the EPA and has to be handled as such. So why is it ok to carry it around in our mouths?
Also check out a book called "The Root Canal Cover Up" by George E Meinig. It is quite enlightening.
Posted by lightparfait (Member # 22022) on :
Happy for you Linky...
Please keep us up to date on your recovery!
What did you do for a replacement?
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Totally agree with linly123. I am alive and healthy today because I have no more root canals in my mouth. The researcher doing a lot of this work today was in wheelchair. He went through many surgeries to remove them. He is well today. His statement was (at a major conference several years ago) that all root canals fail, sooner or later. He has tested hundreds of them. ) It would appear that some people get sick and never recover and never know why. People don't die of old age. They die because they are toxic.
Take care.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I have 6 root canals which were reviewed and insured infection free from my biological dentist who subscribes to the Weston Price foundation view of nutrition. Weston Price didn't pull a rabbit from his hat instead pulled a tooth and put it in a rabbit and the rabbit would have the same infection as an infected tooth. But it has to be infected tooth as bigz123 has stated.
I've had cavitations which my dentist felt were infected as well as one root canal. He used ozone on the 4 cavitations, one was sooooo infected I had lock jaw for 8 weeks after treatment. I had all amalgams removed, mercury isn't safe period. It should be removed and can contribute health issues. The ADA has one tainted study it initiated in Spain.
I'm not getting rid of my root canals, I would rather treat them for infections if it exists. Ozone and herbals are great way to ensure you are infection free.
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
Hahaha, I absolutely love this. People don't die because of old age... They die because of dental work. I guess people are better off leaving infections alone, so they can get facial cellulitis and die from that???
Posted by linky123 (Member # 19974) on :
Light Parfait,
I am having partials made for the back of my mouth and a bridge in the front. Never thought I would have dentures at age 51, but it's better than being sick.
I have to admit, the idea of having my teeth pulled took some getting used to, but when I saw the evidence, I was convinced.
The md I go to uses EDS to check the different systems of the body. My dental numbers were the worst.
When I got the bad teeth out of my mouth the dental numbers immediately went up to normal range. It was amazing.
The dentist I'm seeing said that 99% of the root canals he pulls are toxic; he has them tested.
Scary.
Posted by bigz123 (Member # 23755) on :
linky123... did your dentist mention about the monomer used for partials?? It's carcinogenic at the same dose that amalgam is apparently harmful. Aren't you worried you are going to get cancer?
Posted by linky123 (Member # 19974) on :
BigZ,
You know what, I'm gonna let that last comment go. You're obviously the expert here. I keep forgetting that.
Are you now stating that all partials are toxic and unsafe? I thought dentists did this kind of work all the time?
In your dental practice do you refuse to do partials or bridge work because of this toxic substance you mention.
So I'm gonna die of cancer because I had a partial put in? That was a cheap shot and you know it.
Posted by lightparfait (Member # 22022) on :
Talking to dentists who personally experienced mercury or root canals themselves, placed in their own mouths...those who have gotten sick and have mental issues/depression...chronic conditions as well...
That now have them removed and are doing better...
They seem to identify with this issue.
And are now proactive to learn/practice biological dentistry.
It takes experience and compassion for patients issues and a desire to get to the "root" of the matter!
I remember my old fiance...a dental student at the time told me the highest suicide rate of any profession at that time was a dentist!!!
Mercury poisoning.
Posted by linky123 (Member # 19974) on :
BigZ,
Just called my dentist. The materials he uses are monomer-free.
So I guess I'll survive the cancer, unless of course I get it from some other source.
Posted by lightparfait (Member # 22022) on :
linky,
I had over 60 mercury amalgams in my mouth from early childhood through a year ago...
Most had fallen out of my mouth or I swallowed the amalgams as my teeth cracked over time...
Swallowed loads of amalgam material as I was gagging and choking in the dentist chair as a child...I can still remember the feeling of the particles getting stuck in my throat!
Leading to multiple crowns and root canals.
I have mercury in my brain...in the form of white matter lesions (columbia Univ.brain spect scan/mri)...and mercury in the jaw bone, under the root canals an in cavitations from wisdom teeth removal.
The mercury in my mouth only seems to show in my upper left jaw bone at this time. Interesting the the lesions in the brain are all on the left side. also the root canals are all on the left side.
No coincidence as mercury vapors rise!
Most of my health issues can easily be linked to mercury poisoning as well. ie, endocrine, thyroid, hormone and autoimmune! All pre-lyme.
Adding gutta percha in those root canals only heated the fire in my immune system...which is now working on overdrive. Hard to clean this all out!
Hopefully the new breed of dentists who start to embrace "green" natural thinking will catch the links with their older patients who are suffering. And their younger patients who have inherited mercury from their mothers who had these old amalgams.
I hope Dentists learn to take personal health precautions as well working with all these toxic mouths! My dentist takes chlorella tincture before each new patient!
Posted by linky123 (Member # 19974) on :
I had loads of amalgam in my mouth as well, which has been removed the 'wrong way' over the years to make way for the root canals.
I am also high in mercury, which I will begin to chelate soon with help from a specialist.
I passed the mercury along to my son; his levels are 2 1/2 times higher than normal. He has many of the sx of high mercury levels, but is improving gradually with chelation therapy.
I'm glad to have found this dentist to help me and an md that can help all of us with the mercury poisoning.
Glad you have found someone to help you too.
Take care.
Posted by jbgoth (Member # 5567) on :
Just wanted to add my two cents.
I had several (16) root canals. Slowly, i started to remove them because of the pain and also because i had a systemic reaction to the infected tooth.
I had one of the best endodonists around treat my teeth with a special laser to kill all the bacteria.
Even with all that, they slowly went bad one by one.
So far i have removed 11 teeth. My health has improved DRASTICALLY after each one. The extraction has to be done right too or you can have another mess on your hands with a jawbone infection.
I am only 42 and it has been a long difficult road for me. Im going to end up having to wear partials for the rest of my life. But, at least i will be well and also well enough to enjoy whats left of it.
I just had another 2 removed, and sure enough one of them was really dark inside. I do not have the results back from toxicology but it should be interesting. BTW, my jawbone also need to be cleaned out and i needed bone grafting.
Its healing up just fine. I had a fever for about 6 weeks with bronchitis and it just wasnt going away. All my symptoms went away except for tooth/jaw pain and my fevers. I am so proud to say that as of today, my temp is running 97.1 again. Guess it was a dental infection after all.
Also, i dont think ANY of im infected teeth showed up on an xray. Which the average dentist cant read, not an insult in any way. There are just some specialist who notice things other dentist dont.
Its a very scary road to go down, but for those of us who actually went down that road and FEEL the results, its so worth it.
Peace and L.O.V.E.
Jordan
Posted by linky123 (Member # 19974) on :
jbgoth,
It is a long road, and a commitment both in time and financially, but well worth it.
Sounds like you are on your way. So glad you are better.
Take care.
Posted by NanaDubo (Member # 14794) on :
There are dentists who can check compatibility for any substance they are going to use in your mouth.
Lab or other means.
I was tested for over 200 different substances to find the best (non-toxic) for ME - my mouth.
Monomer is not used in all partials bigz. I imagine some dental offices only use one thing, others take the time to make sure what they are using is safe.
One of the root canals I had, took me back to the dentist a dozen times over the years. Kept telling him something was wrong.
"Isn't possible" he would say, the root is gone.
20 years later when a biological dentist removed the tooth and cleaned up all the diseased bone, he had to go into my sinus where he pulled out a cyst. Wonder if that would have eventually turned into one of the cancers you refer to?
I have a choice, I can go to a dentist who uses the same materials and practices he graduated from school with 25 years ago, or I can go to a dentist who is constantly learning new information.
Seems like an easy choice.
Posted by jbgoth (Member # 5567) on :
Nana,
My dentist tested me too.
I saw another dentist years ago who did a topas test on my teeth. I dont think she did it right. I guess u have to tap them before you test them. Oh well, she was a very funky dentist with crystals in her office rooms, but, i had to switch.
BTW, she did do a fantastic job of taking out all my silver fillings :-)
peace and l.o.v.e. from Miami
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I had more than a decade dull pain in an old two decade root canal done before I was 20. After root canal, I had no pain. The dull pain came slowly and I think, got worse during lyme disease.
It's NO DOUBT that ALMOST ALL lyme patients will complain of dental problems in the long run. Just check lymenet if you are in doubt.
Whatever causes that, toxicity, high infection load, almost everyone will lose a tooth (root canal) or get many cavitities or extreme infections sometime if they are still battling chronic lyme disease. Lymenet is here as a proof.
My lyme doctor in Switzerland and my lyme naturopath in Germany URGED me to take 2 of my root canal teeth off.
It took me ONE YEAR to do that, because ALL OTHER DENTISTS told me this was NONSENSE. I've been to at least 5 other dentists who took Xrays and saw NOTHING bad on my root canals.
As I had that dull pain in one of the root canals for years and because my lyme disease still went on and off, and because I started trusting my doctor and naturopath, I decided to pull them off. Not simply pulling them off, but cleaning what was left under them.
The surgeon was SURPRISED to see bad infection in BOTH teeth. He sweared to me just before that he couldn't see anything wrong through the Xrays and made me sign a paper saying that it was not his fault if nothing under was found and that I was not going to prosecute him or whatever...
I signed the paper anyway.
But there were fully infected. My lyme doctor was just beside and his face was awful when he saw the infected jaw. It was then a full cavitation that I got under BOTH root canals!
Both my lyme doctor and my naturopath had done several ENERGETIC tests that showed that. Only energetic tests... They knew more than all those dentists I visited in Switzerland and Germany!
One root canal felt NOTHING, zero, no pain, I had no idea of the jaw infection. The other one, that I had dull pain for a decade, I felt PAIN DURING the cavitation treatment. Even with anesthesy!
I knew the dentist was working on the exact point that caused me dull pain for a decade!
Since I stepped out of the surgeon office, the dull pain NEVER returned. Till today (it's been about 4 years, now).
When I think of that dull pain I got for 10 years or more, non-stop, not too strong, just minor but always present, and that it was gone in a few MINUTES...
So I had that CAVITATION for more than 10 years and that got unnoticed by all dentists!!!
I'm also in full remission from lyme for 11 months. I lost my 2 teeth, that was sad, but in between keeping my dead teeth with silent infections under and having the out, but clear of infections, I would still choose to pull them out.
One of my best friends is a dentist who used to use amalgams in her patients, and did loads of root canals in them. She never believed the amalgam story herself.
She has been with me the whole way, following my story. When I told her of cavitations, she believed me when the dentist found big infection under, even though she saw nothing in my Xrays either.
She has followed my fight to take mercury out of my body for years. She saw me very sick and how I got better slowly with treatment.
Now, she's also on chlorella and never anymore uses amalgams in her patients!!
What she learned in dentistry school is what most dentists do to us. She was not guilty, just ignorant.
What physicians learn in school too concerning lyme disease is also to be put in question.
There are journals and journals, papers and papers. One can live their whole lives stuck into certain journals and see nothing about chronic lyme disease or root canals causing cavitations.
One dentist can spend their whole lives not seeing a single cavitation because they won't find anything usually in Xrays, so they will NEVER open the tooth to see what's under.
After having battled lyme against all odds and all physicians in at least, 4 different countries, I only believe on one thing: DOUBT what any professional tells you and make your own mind about any subject related to health.
Doing your own research can save your life! Of course, I'm not a doc, so this is only my opinion.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Very good post, Selma and very timely in my case:
I had to have 2 fillings this week [white, of course!] and afterwards my dentist warned me that one had been deeply infected and that worse case scenario was that I would need a root canal filling.
I have started to research it just in case: certainly 2 days later, I can't chew on that tooth without a twinge, but that could just be normal sensitivity that will die down. I hope so!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I agree with Selma about treating infections. With my 6 root canals I have a dentist who can assess the tooth for infection energetically using ART as well as being able to treat them with ozone. I have mine and I did have to have one root canal retreated with ozone to clear an infection. I don't have any issues with my mouth at this writing and am also in remission.
one thing should be noted, is when you have root canal teeth pulled you are trading one dead spot for another. The hole left in the jaw from the removed tooth is also a potential area of infection. That too has to be monitored over time. And I've become a great believer in the power of ozone for treating dental cavitations and root canals.
Posted by db (Member # 733) on :
My teeth have been a major concern for me both from a health and financial aspect for over a year now. Over the last 25 years I've had 9 root canals. I was told yesterday by a new and very nice endodontist that I need another root canal and a redo root canal on another tooth. This would make this attempt #3 on the redo.
I came here today to gather info. If I'm hearing some of you correctly to safely remove or extract the teeth with root canals I need 1. A dentist who specializes in safely removing the materials from my mouth. 2. Simple partial to replace the removed tooth.
Last fall I had a root canal redone. As I mentioned already, it needs redoing again, possibly the procedure where a hole is made in the gum and a stitch is then made in the gum (yuck), and/or possible tooth extraction. I have to tell you today I wish I had removed them all from the beginning. I'm just very frustrated.
If anyone can answer this question, I'd certainly appreciate it. Can anyone tell me the approximate cost of safely removing a tooth treated with a root canal and then a partial made for that tooth? ....Linky123,JbGoth, GiGi I can certainly relate to your dental path which I believe I'm on my way to but I would appreciate your feedback and a little guidance, if you don't mind.
Someone mentioned cleaning the infection out or something helped with depression, too. Hear again, I'd say I'm open.
Grateful for your input and replies. I feel perplexed, frustrated, like I'm throwing money down the drain and just spinning my wheels. I'm not the only one though who has or is feeling that way though I know. I'm just tired of fighting this battle.
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