I have been feeling horrible lately and have been wondering if it's because of the addition of Bolouke (lumbrokinase). Was considering if, by disrupting biofilms, it's possible to "unleash" a flood of bacteria that your body is not ready for?
Is this even possible in the presence of antibiotics? Is there such thing as too much bacteria for antibiotics to kill?
Also, I'm assuming viruses could be housed in biofilms too, so by getting rid of the biofilm, you could release viruses too.
Has anyone heard anything about how getting rid of biofilms too quickly could be a bad thing, or are you just supposed to get rid of them and suffer until the antibiotics and your immune system catch up to the infections that were released?
Any input would be much appreciated! VB
Posted by karenl (Member # 17753) on :
Yes,I got in very serious problems by disrupting biofilms and did not recover for 18 months.
Also some percent of people have low alpha one antitrypsin and for them enzymes are extreme dangerous.
Most doctors are not aware of this.Please let them know. Infenzyme has a warning posted.
Posted by laura j (Member # 14257) on :
I don't know the answer but I hope someone does as I'd like to know as well.
As far as it releasing to many bacteria for the abx to kill, I would think that it's more the die-off from the bacteria dying that is causing a toxic environment making you feel worse. In that aspect I would think that disrupting the biofilms too quickly and the abx killing them could release too much toxin at once for the body to handle. It is possible for a herx or die-off to be dangerous if it's too severe which is why we sometimes have to back off abx if a herx is too strong.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I would suspect that taking binders would help with this. Psylium seed, charcoal, clay, pectin, etc. are all very useful.
I'm no doctor, though.
Posted by mjbucuk (Member # 843) on :
At the Univ of NH conference we were told how many, many, many spirochetes are present in each biofilm.... breaking it apart quickly can be VERY toxic.
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Does cowden go after biofilms?
serrapeptase, right?
Posted by VB (Member # 16824) on :
I'm not sure what Cowden recommends. I was looking through my Insights into Lyme Disease Treatment book to see if it mentioned it and I couldn't find it. I think a lot of LLMD's do use serrapeptase, as well as lumbro- and nattokinase.
thank you all for the info from the conference and the recommendations. Binders, for sure are a good idea. I am getting a FIR sauna on Thurs, so maybe that will help out. I'll do just about anything right now!!
Posted by bncrump (Member # 20374) on :
I too had a crazy herx after starting Boluoke. I don't know if it was related as I have not taken it again since then.
Maybe I will start and see what happens? I did not take any type of binder though, maybe I should look into that first.
Good luck.
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Don't the biofilms also hide the other bugs, viruses, yeast etc ?
And aren't these also released when the biofilm is being broken up ?
Could these contribute to the problem along with toxins from die-off ?
Posted by bncrump (Member # 20374) on :
That would make sense, as I have battling a yeast issue for a while now AND probably have some parasite stuff going on.
I definitely think that it is related to the biofilms being broken up.
Posted by VB (Member # 16824) on :
bn, can you pm me if you start the bolouke again and let me know how it goes?
massman, I do think that it's possible that other infections are being released.
I'm wondering if that's dangerous? Is there any way to take it slow with biofilms and only gradually eliminate them, like taking the enzymes every other day, or is it an all or nothing scenario?
I'm all for being agressive, but don't want to overwhelm my immune system.
I guess lots of binders are the way to go.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
You can definitely unleash things your body is not ready for when you start attacking biofilms. Some doctors pulse their biofilm therapies and monitor closely to ensure that they are not overloading patients by going too fast. It can definitely be a bad thing.
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
^bump cause this seems like something to be careful with.
Posted by karenl (Member # 17753) on :
Be careful with your sauna. After releasing too many bugs I was not able to use my sauna, nor do a footbath.I heard from a doctor to start with 1/2 tablet of enzyme a week. I was started on 9 Wobenzym a day and crashed on day 4. Was scary.
I think binders cannot help to catch the living bugs and viruses.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
It's probably the dead bus that make you sick, though. They release toxins when they die.
You have to do something to absorb it & get it out of your body. Even if they die naturally...