is this true according to anyone's experience here?
I read that Dr. B believes that art. alone causes babs to become resistant. Is that a widely known/believed truth or just opinion?
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
Babs should NOT be treated with ANY monotherapy, which causes resistance.
In a malaria-endemic area in a SE Asian country , iforget if it was Thailand or Cambodia, the malaria developed resistance to Artemisinin, which was being used as a monotherapy.
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Posted by kateaton (Member # 24871) on :
what are some other things beside abx that are helpful in treating it?
Do you rotate these and how often?
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
It is a ......parasite
A small parasite inside red blood cells !
Micro-site from www.inno-vita.com works effectively in my experience.
Thru health pros only so ask your doc to order it. Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
It takes antibiotics plus artimesinin to get rid of babs. You can't do it without antibiotics.
And, when Burrascano states something, even if he says it is his opinion, it is always based on studies. He is speaking based on medical evidence, not just an opinion he formed with no basis.
So, when the pre-eminent lyme doctor in the world says something, it means something.
Now, if my experience is important to you, I got rid of babs using Bactrim DS and pulsed artimesinin.
My friends got rid of it using Mepron/zithromax and pulsed artimesinin.
But, I think Burrascano's studies (based on a lot more cases) mean a lot more.
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
And WHAT does Dr B. know about specifically mixed herbals ?
Is he open to learning more ?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I have read in several places that one cannot get rid of babesia with only artemesia. I'm not sure of this because I don't know if there have been any actual trials of combined herbs or supplements. Babesia is not malaria. The tests are also quite inaccurate.
There is one study where a form of babesia was cured with noni fruit juice. There are also other herbal & other types of supplements that can be combined in one way or another.
I don't necessarily agree with the "fact" that babesia cannot be cured with herbs & supplements alone. There have been several threads here about alternate things one can try to get rid of babesia.
Do a search of this site. Many people have posted info here. I think there are good alternatives to abx but everyone has to make their own decision about what to take or not take.
Many people have had failures with drugs & abx. There's also the issue of adverse side effects.
Artemesia is quite powerful. It's difficult to know why there may have been treatment failures with malaria in VietNam or South Asia. There are many reasons why this could happen. I would not conclude that atremesia is ineffective for babesia just because there may be resistant malaria in VietNam.
Posted by jenny76 (Member # 18205) on :
Massman I am very interested in that product. Have you used it personally to eradicate babesia? Does it have side effects?
I'm willing to try just about anything right now! Well maybe not anything Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Jenny I have used it successfully. I did not have any side effects, it is designed to have little or none.
Have your doc or chiro order it for you.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by massman: [QB] And WHAT does Dr B. know about specifically mixed herbals ?
Is he open to learning more ?
He's no longer a practicing LLMD.
yes, be sure to take the ART with zithromax or something similar
Posted by dogmom2 (Member # 23822) on :
Okay, so I am taking art only. What should I combine it with. I can't take zithro it gave me tinnitus and black teeth. Does it have to be an antibiotic?
Thanks, diaan
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Antibiotic for a P-A-R-A-S-I-T-E ?
I am pretty sure Dr. K recommends doing parasites first.
I know Dr. B is not working. Does that preclude him from learning more ?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I read a study where they treated 8 babesia infected dogs with mepron. After, I think it was, a year - 5 of the 8 dogs relapsed.
I don't know why doctors insist that people take mepron. Especially, since it's so expensive. They also recommend malarone if you can't afford mepron which is equally ineffective.
Then, they blame it on the artemesia if this treatment protocol doesn't work.
It sort of gets my "conspiracy theory" danders up...
Artemesia may not work alone but there are other things you could add to an herbal protocol to give it an extra kick.
The tests are incredibly faulty from what I've heard - so, we may not even have babesia or we may have some other form of babesia that has not been recognized. How do we even know whether something is actually working or not or if we are cured?
I read we can relapse with babesia 18 months after treatment.
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Sometimes I think of taking what Massman is recommending. It's cheap. Why the he$$ not? What symptoms of Babs do you / did you have Massman?
Posted by kateaton (Member # 24871) on :
I came across some information from Dr. K. He recommends treating parasites first with Zeta/Gamma Rizol and then treating Babesia with MMS, 15 drops 1 hour apart for 2 days in a row- 1 time weekly for 4-8 weeks.
That seems like you'd have to stay home for 2 days in a row just to do the protocol- that's a lot of MMS. But if it worked.. Does anyone have any experience with MMS and babs. Maybe combining Art and mms would work?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
MMS made me pretty ill. It's very strong stuff. I would consider trying it again at some point. I don't think I'd start off with 15 drops, though. Maybe start off with 1 & work it up... 15 drops right off the bat may cause the biggest herx you ever experienced in your life!
In my experience with artemesia - I would take anything that might quench free radicals away from the artemesia dosing - like maybe the next day. Artemesia creates free radicals by targeting the iron in the pathogens.
I would let it go through it's process before taking anything that would be anti-oxidant. Anti oxidants may make artemesia less effective. I'm not real sure about MMS & how it works. I don't know if it would interfere with the way the artemesia works or enhance it.
Amanda - How long have you been on Larium? what are the side effects?
I am suppose to do this next.
Artemisinin has helped me but I have not taken it for very long. I take it 3 days a week. I seem to get yeast when I take this. I know that it changes the Ph in the blood.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
That's funny - I had the yeast increase when I first started taking artemesia, too. I took Yeast Cleanse by Solaray & it cleared it right up. I take one every so often just to keep it in check. It wasn't bad but I could tell that the yeast felt like it was increasing.
I also got some intestinal discomfort, too. I took some binders occasionally. I took the binders on the next day after the artemesia. I didn't want the beneficial qualities of the artemesia to be absorbed.
Posted by Annelet (Member # 13503) on :
Sparkle7, could you explain what you meant by this please?
"Artemesia creates free radicals by targeting the iron in the pathogens."
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
seek - I had most major babs symptoms except for air hunger.
I still have a few, about 70-80% reduced. And that was from two weeks of Micro-site.
And they are not too pricey, about $27 to $30 per bottle.So that is about $15 for what I used.
2 to 3 months may be optimal. I have been pretty much off everything with mixed herbals as I am preparing for hip surgery.
kateaton posted "Dr. K. He recommends treating parasites first with Zeta/Gamma Rizol and then treating Babesia"
Confuses the heck out of me as babs is a parasite. What the heck does he mean by that ?
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