There is a lady in Kansas that a Lyme doc sends patients to because of how sick they are, she listens to my symptoms and then says, sounds like the mercury fillings are "feeding it"
And when I asked, "So, lyme specific bands showed up pretty strongly on my tests, thats not causing my problems?" she says No.
I feel like I'm going nuts. I'm researching what treatments I need because I am not going to go on antibiotics. I've been on antibiotics since a baby, not doing it anymore.
If you have amalgam and lyme, what is one supposed to do? Ive had amalgam fillings since i was 10 years old, a good 8-10 of them. I wasn't sick until age 18, 26 now.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I had my amalgams out and chelated. I went into remission for 12 years after that until I got bitten again.
Heavy metals do go hand in hand with Lyme quite often.
I did get very sick with Lyme and coinfections again, and obviously, the amalgams were gone. I still tested positive for heavy metals. I also had parasite problems and a KPU/pyroluria problem (lots on the site about what it is).
Lyme typically does not stand alone, though it also can't be ignored .....
Posted by Remember to Smile (Member # 25481) on :
Many healthcare professionals are concerned about the potentially toxic levels of mercury and other trace metals in our bodies.
I became sicker after getting several new amalgam fillings in my late 20s. I would like all my amalgam fillings removed by an experienced biological dentist, but cannot pay for that now.
You may wish to consider Dr K's approach to treating Lyme disease. See: web page
Slide 19 is on Dental issues & suggestions.
Best wishes, Smile
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
I got rid of lyme without getting rid of my amalgams.
I asked my lyme doctor about it and he said, "Well, evidently, in your case, you don't need to get them out."
So, do lyme treatment and see if you can get well without addressing amalgams. It worked for me. But, everyone is different.
Posted by BackinStOlaf (Member # 23725) on :
You can have them for years and not have symptoms until later.
I have about 16 ...also since childhood.
I want them out no matter what.
I have lyme AND mercury issues.
Posted by j57401 (Member # 26395) on :
thanks guys, i welcome more posts. im so tired of being sick, seems endless.
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Lyme likes mercury. And, we can have mercury in us from more sources than amalgams, like fish and pollution.
I've heard it both ways - people feel better after getting their amalgams out, they feel worse - but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good idea to have them out, and then people go into remission even though they have amalgams.
If you're going to have them out, it has to be done by a dentist who knows how to take them out carefully.
If you're not going on abx, are you looking at other protocols, like herbs, like for example Buhner herbs, Cowden, Zhang etc? There's a yahoo group for those who are treating with Buhner herbs, for instance.
Posted by 'Kete-tracker (Member # 17189) on :
I BLEEVE the theory is that the amalgams leach small amounts of mercury- & Hg Compounds- into one's system, which taxes a now seriously stressed immune system, due to the Lyme borrelia.
If you've been newly Dx'ed with late-stage Lyme (by the sounds of it) you initially need to check for co-infections, deal with them first, then go after the Lyme... which Might take ~ a couple years in your case. Personally, I don't see any effective, workable plan to address a Lyme infection- from when you were 18- w/o SOME use of antibiotics. The fact that you needed/ were prescribed certain 'abx' since you were "a baby" is not relavent here. It really isn't!
My own take on almalgam replacement is to do that gradually when the Lyme is under better control, starting with any Hg-Silver fillings that are "newer".
I believe dental work, when significantly ill with Lyme, should be kept to the immediate maintenance needs of the teeth themselves. And, of course, opt for "white" with any new fillings.
Personally, I've had a mOuthful of these olde metal fillings since my adolescence (>15 of 'em). And yet, I was able to recover from late Lyme over 6 to 9 months, and have not had a relapse since the first year out (2006). I've not replaced Any of the fillings with non-mercury fillings, though I Have crowned several of the molars with gold caps.
I also work- & "play"- around electronics & electricity, incl. lead alloy solders, and have since childhood! So, it's not a matter of NO exposure... more an issue of precaution & careful habits, including de-toxing & dietary considerations.
I'd first suspect a co-infection over amalgams if your issues are pronounced. And developing an auto-immune disorder (i.e: M.S.) is actually not uncommon for young women who've had an untreated- or insufficiently treated- Lyme infection present for many years. Fortunately, these disorders have been known to clear with continued treatment of the underlying infection[s].
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
The first thing my Lyme Dr does is give his patients a list of mercury free dentists and has them get their fillings replaced. He feels that if you have Mercury you can't get rid of Lyme. And it seems all of us have Mercury issues.
I was frightened to do it (I was very anxious back then) but it's one of the best things I've ever done for myself.
I went fromt he dentist's chair to my LLMD and we did the first IV chelation the same day. My dentist will only remove if under the care of a dr. who will address the mercury.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
If you dont want to take abx, look into doing antiparasitic herbs and maybe the Buhner herbs. Parasites can play a HUGE role in Lyme disease. I got well without removing my amalgams.
Do a search on here for parasites and also the Buhner herbs.
Gael
Posted by j57401 (Member # 26395) on :
quote: Personally, I don't see any effective, workable plan to address a Lyme infection- from when you were 18- w/o SOME use of antibiotics. The fact that you needed/ were prescribed certain 'abx' since you were "a baby" is not relavent here. It really isn't! [/QB]
The reason I believe it is relavent is because I believe we are all born (or not born) with certain miasms, or taints to the vital force that make us vulnerable to certain families of disease. The fact that I had recurring mono, throat infection, bronchitis, etc as a baby and into childhood...and that it was "fixed" (driven deeper into the immune system) with antibiotics, only paved the path for deeper more serious problems into adulthood (pneumonia, anemia, and now lyme disease).
Its not a popular concept, and its definitely one thats complicated to say the least...but it makes sense to me and what i know about my body and homeopathy.
I have no doubts that antibiotics can help control borrelia and co. infections, but I also have my concerns based on past experiences and what i've learned that by driving it down into the system even further, it only paves the way for more serious illnesses in the future. Today its lyme and after it could be something worse in my case, considering how long i've been ill off and on.
Might be far fetched to most, and i haven't ruled out antibiotics as an option, i'm just trying to find the path that will work with my body the best, which i am leaning towards the natural path thru herbs, homeopathy and a lot of detox, and now... possibly getting the fillings removed.
i appreciate your post, i found some useful info in it
Posted by j57401 (Member # 26395) on :
quote:Originally posted by Robin123: If you're not going on abx, are you looking at other protocols, like herbs, like for example Buhner herbs, Cowden, Zhang etc? There's a yahoo group for those who are treating with Buhner herbs, for instance.
Yes I am looking into other protocols. Still on the fence as to if i need to stop my homeopathic care. Its doing something, but i'm not sure what yet, and i dont know how long its going to take.
But yes...i am going to research these thanks to you and the other poster (don't have the name in front of me right now) who suggested Buhner herbs. Thank you to you both...
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Wow, he must have not believed I have Lyme. He never said anything like this. Very odd. It's like we were seeing two different docs. lol.
quote:Originally posted by mojo: The first thing my Lyme Dr does is give his patients a list of mercury free dentists and has them get their fillings replaced. He feels that if you have Mercury you can't get rid of Lyme. And it seems all of us have Mercury issues.
I was frightened to do it (I was very anxious back then) but it's one of the best things I've ever done for myself.
I went fromt he dentist's chair to my LLMD and we did the first IV chelation the same day. My dentist will only remove if under the care of a dr. who will address the mercury.
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
Seek: It may have been after my hair test - I thought it was at my first appt. but hubby said it was after my hair test showed mercury.
It was in summer of '06 so it's been a while. He had my sister do the same thing, though - can't remember if it was her first or second appt.
Posted by 'Kete-tracker (Member # 17189) on :
mojo, All I can say is I still have plenty of mercury in my mouth... & I got rid of My Lyme. (Atleast it's well in remission) So your doctor is not correct in saying that you "can't" get rid of Lyme w/o "getting rid of mercury", though I would agree that the immune system seems to work better with lower levels of mercury- & it's "salts"- in the body. The same goes for other heavier metallic elements, like lead & cadmium.
j57401, You lost me with the line: "we are all born (or not born) with certain miasms, or taints to the vital force that make us vulnerable to certain families of disease." You'd have to define all those terms. Sounds like something out of Star Wars. LOL
Posted by hadlyme (Member # 6364) on :
I have alloy fillings in my mouth too and I have felt fine through many years. I have also seen and been a part of helping patients get rid of their amalgam fillings, in which I never saw one get any better..ie.. MS, Parkinson type patients.
"white fillings" are plastic. They are resin. They have many different stages of bonding agents before the white composite it placed. No one, no dental manufacture, knows the long term effect from these nano plastics and glass particles in our bodies.
Beware of thinking the alternative is better.
Posted by carly (Member # 14810) on :
This discussion of amalgams and mercury always irks me.
hadlyme said:
quote: Beware of thinking the alternative is better.
These plastic resins are known to the state of California to contain carcinogens, but are safe for use in dental restorations. (maybe not the exact wording, but disturbing, dontcha think?)
Prevention, prevention, prevention!!
Posted by DoctorLuddite (Member # 13853) on :
We also know that mercury is he most toxic heavy metal around...
It depends on an individuals capacity for detoxification; some people handle mercury quite well and others, well, not so much. The former group will not manifest any problems with amalgams until later in life if ever, while the latter group will have one kind of illness or another throughout their life, and be more likely to have reactions to mercury from other sources, like immunizations or high fish diets, and because of their tendency to illness, will be excluded from studies on mercury, and since only the good detoxers get studied, nothing ever changes...
Prevention is the key, so if you want to keep your teeth solid, make sure your vitamin D level stays up so that you absorb calcium from food and your body has some substrate to build good teeth with...
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He never said anything like this. Very odd. It's like we were seeing two different docs. lol.