with regards to lyme illness.............
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Lyme is one of the most toxic infections known to man. Toxicity causes all sorts of physical problems, including brain effects.
When the brain is bathed in toxins, the nerve fibers don't work correctly. Also, lesions can form and the nerve insulation (myelin sheath) can develop problems.
So, that can result in things like memory loss, loss of words, problems with controlling muscles, etc. But also depression, rage, etc.
Regarding psychological and psychiatric matters caused by neuroborreliosis: -------------------------------
Deliberations of a psychiatrist who evaluates and possibly diagnoses Lyme and other tick-borne diseases of the mind, sharing case histories . . . . -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Lyme can cause a severe magnesium deficiency.
THAT results in all sorts of pain and neurological effects - and neuropsychiatric issues such as anxiety (which can be part neuropsychiatric & part adrenal exhaustion - also common with lyme).
Lyme often affect the inner & middle ear (vestibular system). Take a look at the symptoms here and you can see how they intertwine with neuropsychiatric symptoms. If one is dizzy all the time, that will affect mood, etc.: ---------------
Lyme affect the liver and that causes physical and neuropsychiatric symptoms. Along those lines, you might look at the "Secondary Porphyria" post here.
Any kind of porphyria -- or even just elevated porphyrins, can cause physical and neuropsychiatric symptoms. But I think neuropsychiatric symptoms ARE physical symptoms. --------------
** moderator's note - edited to remove Lyme practitioner's name **
[ 10-07-2010, 08:18 PM: Message edited by: sixgoofykids ]
Posted by Florence1 (Member # 22960) on :
yes erica, on the office notes....frightened the life out of me.......but reading the article. keebler provided.....it makes sense from my symptoms......just sounds so awful.......
Posted by Erica741 (Member # 15186) on :
He puts that term in everyone's notes! Well at least based on what I know from myself and some other patients... ???? Lol!
Actually I think it's really great that he discusses this aspect of the disease upfront and openly from 1st appt onward. Too many LLMDs don't want to deal with and try to ignore the psychiatric issues...Which is very unfair to patient and actually rather unprofessional, considering these issues arise or are exacerbated by the doctor's treatment - ie. die-off in the brain from the prescribed meds.
I think I just went on a tangent...well you can see I've got some of these cognitive issues for sure! )
Posted by jwall (Member # 22999) on :
I didn't get neuropsychiatric in my notes, but I got "cognitive dysfunction - impairing w/significant associated mood disturbance."
Hey, at least you didn't get "panceriferous spasticity" in your notes...or maybe you did?! What the hell is THAT? My husband and I were laughing at that one...you've got to keep somewhat of a sense of humor during all of this (I know easier said than done). Posted by Florence1 (Member # 22960) on :
i'd like to know what that is too..........sounds fascinating........
Posted by Erica741 (Member # 15186) on :
Jwall- Your 1st quote sounds VERY familiar.
See Florence - told ya there's a reference to this neuropsychiatric stuff in everyone's notes!
There's also often a phrase like "neuroborreliosis with lots of limbic involvement". And the notes get even more interesting if you cry during the appointment.
Gotta love the technical medical terminology! I actually learned a lot of the neuro terms cause my home health nurse decoded for me.
Jwall- are you a fairly new patient too?
Posted by jwall (Member # 22999) on :
Hi Erica, Yes, I am on month 2 of IV. Yes, I got "neuroborreliosis w/limbic involvement" and yes, I cried during my 1st appt.! Tried SO hard not to cry, but what can I say, I would've rather been with my husband and sons at the zoo instead of there, so I cried! At least he is very nice and handed me a big box of kleenex.
Florence, I have no idea what that term means...it just sounds so funny. I did get lots of other huge-worded neuro. terms too. I didn't even bother to look into what any of those words mean because they sound bad enough! I guess I should...it does sound fascinating!
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???? Lol!