I tried doxy but had to stop after 2 weeks becuase of nausea what other treatment regimens have worked or are workign for people. Mino is also very nauseating for me. Any thoughts? Thanks
Posted by jackie81 (Member # 27031) on :
Im on Zithromax and Rifampin for the bartonella
Posted by Remember to Smile (Member # 25481) on :
Dear Igor's mom,
So sorry nausea prevented you from continuing with doxy Rx! Call your LLMD again so he'll advise you how to proceed.
I understand how troubling all this can be, esp since you've been losing weight and feeling anxious, too!
Had you tried only taking the doxy in the middle of a significant meal (mid-breakfast and mid-dinner)? That was a MUST for me, and many others here.
If I experience a bit of nausea after abx dosing, I eat either a slice of Ezekial bread, 1/2 cup brown rice, brown rice crackers, or Cheerios. A bit of something to buffer the chemical feeling that gave me nausea.
I hope others will come along with ideas for you, too.
Best wishes, Smile
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
Doxy is probably not the best for Bart anyway. Mino has some action.
Levaquin is probably the "go to" drug for Bart but comes with its own set of cruel sides, including possible tendon rupture. It's worth a shot though.
You could also try running Mino along side Meclizine to see if you can control the nausea that way.
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
I could NEVER handle doxy on an empty stomach. But had no problem with it when taken with a full meal.
The top treatment for Bart is suppose to be levaquin (but I was afraid to take it because of tendon issues).
Zith and Rifampin are also tops on the list of meds.
Posted by ang (Member # 29459) on :
my LLMD prescribed zithro and rifampin
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
I could not take doxy without food either. Be sure you do not lay down after taking either or you can get acid reflux. Apple cider vinegar helps your digestion when you are using abx that disturb your stomach. I used to put it on a salad.
But doxy is not the drug of choice for Bartonella. First would be Levaquin but you have to be careful of tendon damage ( I got it unfortunately as it was very effective).
Then Rifampin and a macrolide like zithro or biaxin. Then Bactrim Ds and a macrolide. I have used all three.
Bart is hard to get rid of and in my opinion impossible without drugs. The mental chaos it causes is so frightening to me that the side effects of drugs pale in comparison.
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
You could try the rife machine.
The drugs for Bartonella are harmful or unsatisfactory.
It is a valuable, life-saving alternative.
I have a rife machine, i rife on Bartonella frequencies , as well as others, and keep my Bart symptoms way down, almost unnoticeable.
These are low-level Hertz radio frequencies, such as, e.g., 832 Hertz is one frequency for Bart; i use 18 frequencies.
I hook myself up to the electrodes every few days, run Bart frequencies for 18 minutes, and --- i'm almost symptom-free.
Or, you could try Selma's herbal protocol. she had a list of herbs for Bart that cured her. She posted here, you could search, or if you are curious, i could post.
-----Polly Polygonum
Posted by bcb1200 (Member # 25745) on :
Bart Drugs:
-Levaquin -Rifampin (with Zith or Biaxin. Some use Doxy) -Rifabutin (Mycobutin) with Zith or Biaxin -Bactrim DS
Posted by Igor's mom (Member # 29191) on :
With these drug combinations of levaquin and Rifampin did your symptoms get better? y anxiety is very troubling, fogy brain, tremor.
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
When I used Levaquin my anxiety went through the roof for the first couple of weeks. Then I quickly got much better.
I got tendonitis at five weeks and had to quit but I was feeling nearly normal. I had more motivation and was actually feeling happy.
When I relapsed with bart, I took Rifampin for three months and never improved.
With Bactrim DS/ zithro I improved slowly and was doing very well after about two months, but I then slide backwards after about 5 months. I tried adding in some left over rifampin and that helped. But then I went to an LLMD who decided I did not have bart as my test result was negative.
I am now treating babesia. The month prior to my appointment with the LLMD, I quit the abx to clear a yeast infection and my bart symptoms became less noticeable except for my irritation and feelings of detachment.
The mucle twitching, headache, cramps, shin pain and urge to urinate is gone. My brain is a mess.
If you can tolerate Levaquin that is the way to go but be careful.
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
besides doubling up on Magnesium, what are good ways to prevent side effects w/ Levaquin?
Posted by Healing in Santa Cruz (Member # 7798) on :
Byron White herbals for Bart. Called A-Bart www.bioresourceinc.com Click on Byron White. I am quite impressed. There r also protocols for Babs and other infections.
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
QUOTE can you send me the bart frequencies you used on the rife machine? and the schdeule you used?
UNQUOTE ------------------------- Yes, here are the Bart frequencies i use:
I run each frequency for 1 minute, total 18 minutes.
No particular schedule. I rife in response to symptoms. Every few days, every one , 2, 3, 4 or 5 days, as the symptoms build up.
----Polly Polygonum
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
QUOTE Please send me the frequencies and if you know the herbs selma used too I woudl be very appreciative.UNQUOTE ----------------- Here's a quote from SELMA: I pasted this whole thing, nothing is written by me: QUOTE::
I'm just pulling this thread up as people keep asking me what I did for bartonella.
I attacked bart 3 times. First time was by the end of 2006, but I didn't win the battle (I was using Rizols and other stuff I forgot, it must be here in lymenet though). It didn't do the job completely until May 2007, when I was awarded new bart re-infection....
I naturally fell sick very fast, because the tick bite came fully infected with ALL pathogens that my doctor tests energetically. My doctor said he has seen that before, so I didn't win a troffee.
Then I decided to go on an emergency attack as I naturally got scared, as I felt quite sick again and that's what I wrote here up in this thread.
I got rid of bart then chronic + acute infection with this treatment above. It took sometime, but not too long as I was expecting. Then I went into remission of lyme and co-infections for about 4 months.
But bart went away AFTER babesia was gone. I always need to get rid of babesia first before I get rid of anything else, as I get fully symptomatic of babs and that knocks me down. That's what I did, and my babesia protocol is also written here somewhere (under "alternative babesia herbs" or so).
Then about November, after not sleeping more than 4 hours a day for a month due to a job I was doing at home, I relapsed lightly. From borrelia, bart, and rickettsia.
But it was very easy to get them again under control, I even didn't address bart specifically, I was more concerned with rickettsia as it was the only thing that was giving me symptoms (heart). But fortunately, it was also very short lived and again, I'm on about a month or more symptomless from lyme and co-infections.
My only treatment now is a preventive treatment: 1 capsule astragalus AM, 1 capsule cats claw AM, then some supplements just once a day like: chlorella, propolis drops, calcium, magnesium, Vit D, trace minerals. Sometimes milk thistle tests, and I take it, but it's about 2-3 times a week only. That's all.
I even got a chronic skin fungal infection under control that I got for more than a decade (pre-lyme), every winter. Still not sure it's really gone, as I'm still on foot baths, but I'm symptomless from it (except for a dark purple skin on previous local of infection on my hands and toes).
I'm doing no anti-candida diet anymore, taking alcohol socially, and I believe, even if lyme comes back because I do stupid things (like not sleeping for a month), I feel it won't be a big deal anymore IF treated fast. If untreated, I'm pretty sure I'll fall very sick again as I still don't trust my immune system.
My whole bart treatment didn't cost a lot as all these Chinese herbs cost very little in bulk. It's just time consuming, difficult schedule, but as for cost, it's reasonably inexpensive.
If anyone is willing to try the herbs, please try to read about them before and/or get someone to test them energetically. That's what I would do.
Up for bart fighters.
The herbs I listed in the beginning of the thread worked for me.
I would start with the bart homeopathic series if I had to do it all again (because it may short cut the amount of herbs). I didn't use it because I didn't have it in my hands.
And I would also try arnica homeopathic, that I discovered later. I used arnica homeopathic only for contusions or shocks, but discovered more or less recently that it has killing properties, and that it is quite widespectrum.
I then bought arnica in many dilutions, from strong X dilutions (about 3X onwards) then to C dilutions (or K dilutions, from about 3K onwards).
Arnica tests for quite a wide range of infections, and I just read in another post that someone is using it against bartonella.
Of course, one has to know how to use it in their different potencies (energetic tests would tell it fast) to get rid of the whole infection for good (or for long term).
I would start with stronger D dilutions (like 3D, 6D, 12D, 30D, 60D, 100D then shift to 30C, 60C, 100C and 200C). If you find 30K/60K/100K/200K instead, I would buy the K dilutions instead of C, because I feel they are better. Just an idea...
I don't have bart anymore to test on myself.
Another seed I would test for bart is white cardamon. I have the impression white cardamon really help with borrelia cysts and with fungi /candida, while it cleanses the lymph from many toxins. It may then have some synergistic effect then to help on bart fight (because it helps with other bart coinfections).
I don't remember if I used cardamon for bart though. Cardamon was something that since I discovered it, I never left it out of my diet. I take it still today in tea, daily. It helps warming the body and I feel it moves the lymph in a potent way. Cardamon became part of my diet.
Bart really got dormant for me only with the herbs above, but I wonder if there isn't a synergistic effect with borrelia. If my borrelia comes back again one day, who knows if bart won't appear again?
but bart can go dormant for sure, like borrelia can.
good luck to you all fighting bart.
Kadee, I tried to find bart homeopathic in Europe, but I couldn't find it.
I did smash a few ticks that bit me to prepare some homeopathic dilutions, but I think that if you are fighting MAINLY bart, it would be better to get the Deseret Biologicals Bart series (US). I don't think they cost much and many people from lymenet have already tried the series with good results (I've seen that written here in lymenet during the last years).
I wouldn't do as they recommend though (from high diluted to less diluted) just because I can't understand how this protocol can function this way (I always did the opposite, starting from higher concentrated to lower dilutions).
I guess energetic tests can tell what's best for each person, but if I had no access to energetic tests, I would run from lower D dilutions to higher D dilutions instead (as that is what all homeopaths I know would recommend).
I just re-read this thread and saw that my daughter fought one of her bart infections with arnica. I keep forgetting things, great that I can go to lymenet to check.
So there are at least two people in this forum who used (or still use) arnica against bart!
It would worth trying arnica as most of these homeopathic remedies are so cheap and with barely no side-effects.
Arnica is a plant that I start to think may test for many other pathogens and if used in different potencies (same way that bart nosode series) could have efficient results.
I also re-read above that I used cardamon during the fight with borrelia, but not bart (at least, not written here). I also know that cardamon helped me with babesia 'cystic' forms. As it can be just sprinkled in teas, I think it is an interesting herb to be added during both lyme and candida infections. ---selma, Jan 11, 2010 -------------------- Some people are writing me to ask what I took for bartonella. I'm just copy-pasting what I wrote in Buhner's forum. Remember this was 'created' by myself only using energetic testing (kinesiology). I'm not a doctor.
I suffered from chronic bartonella since 2005, got reinfected recently in May with acute bart.
I thought I got rid of it, but yesterday I went to my lyme doctor who also does energetic testing (ART) and he couldn't find it initially. I told him, 'check if they're not hiding'.
He couldn't find borrelia, nor bart, nor mycoplasma, babesia, intestinal candida, nothing. He then checked at the back of my skull and then found finally: bartonella, borrelia and ehrlichia. Nowhere else in my body, he could find tick-born pathogens.
He was amazed to see how well I got, he said he thought I was going to fall downwards after the recent reinfection. He said he's NEVER seen someone with chronic lyme getting better so fast after reinfection like I did. I feel great, I'm hiking and kayaking again!
My killing protocol was designed this time 100% by myself, only using kinesiology.
Anyway, I'm still not rid of bart, still taking things for it, which I'll add in the end of this copy-pasted post. I had it all over my body, joints, muscles, now it's reduced to a small part of my body.
Here's then my bartonella protocol, aproximately:
- phellodendron, decoction 5-7 minutes: gets bart and many other pathogens
- artemisia annua decoction (separate from other decoctions): about 3 teaspoons if I remember well: cook it for a while (about 5 minutes?): it gets bart.
- astragalus test good against bart: I took decoctions and/ or Planetary formula (about 1-2 pills a day)
- bee polen: gets bartonela (plus borrelia cysts and bab's cysts); I took if I remember well, about 2-3 tea spoons a day diluted in water/ soya milk
- lonicerae caulis, decoction 7 minutes: gets bart and babesia (I took it in the very end only)
- KMT program 1
- frozen garlic: 2 -3 a day (can't remember)
- amargo (rain-tree): gets bart, babesia and borrelia: I think I took about 2 "00" capsules a day.
- immunomodulators that may help: cats claw, jap. knotweed
- isatis, folium & forsythia test good against bartonela, but I didn't take these this time because phelodendron + frozen garlic + lonicerae were good enough (I didn't need to add isatis/ forsythia).
Remember that I was my own 'doctor', so no one prescribed me these stuff, I tested amounts by myself and showed to my doctor who told me: "Go on". He re-tested for me (ART) the new herbs I never had taken before, phellodendron tested very good. I'm skinny and very sensitive to herbs/ medicine, so 'normal' people would need more, I guess.
Very 'constant' herbs in this second reinfection for me were (including other pathogens, not only for bart though):
- cats claw, whole herb - Japanese knotweed decoction - phellodendron - gardenia - gervao (rain-tree)
These herbs tested good for a longer period of time (I'm now still on cats claw, knotweed and gardenia). Andrographis didn't test good, only for a few days!!! I took it more than a year for my first borrelia infection and it kept testing good, but not this time!
Selma
Now (end of August 2007) what is testing against bartonella that I'm taking is:
- Japanese knotweed decoction
- phellodendron decoction
- eleutherococcus in powder (2 teaspoons a day): gets most of the infections indirectly (it's a profound tonic to the system)
Selma , 2007 ------------------ UNQUOTE UNQUOTE UNQUOTE
Posted by Igor's mom (Member # 29191) on :
Thanks so much for this
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
If you decide to try levaquin you need to load up on vitamin C as well as magnesium.
Posted by Igor's mom (Member # 29191) on :
i went back and tried mino after a three week break-today so far so good..but still ading up on magnesium.
Posted by Igor's mom (Member # 29191) on :
Oh and I did a little rife-a freidn of mine has the machine and used some frequencies for lymph and immune booster. Apparently she can't just put inthe frequencies posted above o her machine. NOt sure why. Its somehow preprogramed. I also did 2 coffee enemas which seemed to help. I hope I can tolerate the mino at least for a while. Trying to eat an alkaline diet and adding in as many probiotics as I can. feel very tired and foggy in the head these days...
Posted by Igor's mom (Member # 29191) on :
Oh and I did a little rife-a freidn of mine has the machine and used some frequencies for lymph and immune booster. Apparently she can't just put inthe frequencies posted above o her machine. NOt sure why. Its somehow preprogramed. I also did 2 coffee enemas which seemed to help. I hope I can tolerate the mino at least for a while. Trying to eat an alkaline diet and adding in as many probiotics as I can. feel very tired and foggy in the head these days...
Posted by ticksickfamily (Member # 22786) on :
My daughter has just started on a Bartonella treatment plan, which is pretty aggresive : Bactrim ds Nutramedix Cumanda Byron Whites A-Bart
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Lower the dosage and take it with food and work your way up.
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