Hi All I'm just looking for advie here, I will be starting bicillin shots next week, but because I have a very very serious case of neuro lyme, my nerves feel all swollen and painful, I am thinking of adding some other kinds of alternative therapies. I am thus thinking of going to Morocco where I know they practice heat therapy on all kinds of arthritis and it works, they actually apply some very very hot pressures on the painful areas, and apparently that kills whatever bacterias are there. I did it once, it doesn't burn your clothes, but you feel the heat, oh boy... Then I know they also have practionners of apitherapy there, so I'm thinking of doing that too... so my question is: with all this stuff thrown on bb, do I have any chance to recover? I feel so weak and my head is about to explode, I know it's not my brain, it's my cranial nerves, and I'm just hopeless again...I'm having a quite bad flare right now...
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
have you tried the epsom salts baths?
Posted by Shahbah (Member # 28735) on :
thanks randibear, yes I do the epsom slat baths every other day, they relax me a bit but only for few hours and then here i go again with the same never ending pain all over my body...
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Some people tried removing their blood & heating it - It didn't work to kill Lyme. The heat may make you worse.
Maybe save a trip to Morocco & try a sauna instead. It may help to detox but some people do get worse from high levels of heat. Do it gradually to see if it helps in the beginning.
I think spirochetes need to be exposed to 105 degree heat for over 24 hours to kill them. I don't think that is doable in the body.
I actually tried bee venom honey for a bit. There is some evidence that bee venom can kill spirochetes. Some people do well with bee venom ointment applied externally, too.
Posted by Shahbah (Member # 28735) on :
thank you sparkle7 for your advice. Actually it is not a therapy that heats the blood, I mean obviously it would not work as the spirochetes live mostly in colllagen tissues, meaning brain, nerves and joints... So heating the blood would do nothing... The idea is actually to apply heat on the nerves and joints, that's how they do it. it is quite high, i think far above 100 degrees but only for few seconds on each part of the body and they repeat that every day for a week, then you come back after few days and start again... I tried sauna but it doesn't affect me much...
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I like to be open minded about treatment. It might be interesting to take a trip to Morocco. I don't know if this would be a long term treatment for what ails you, though.
This illness is a tough nut to crack. Good luck.
Posted by Wolfed Out (Member # 23727) on :
You know sparkle, this made me wonder something:
"I think spirochetes need to be exposed to 105 degree heat for over 24 hours to kill them."
Does this mean that taking products like Tylenol and Ibuprofen to reduce fevers in effect lower the immune system's ability to fight off infection with fevers.
Posted by Abxnomore (Member # 18936) on :
The heat therapy you are speaking of will not work. It cannot penetrate deeply enough into tissues and muscles and brain tissues. Don't waste your money. It's the same reason why heating the blood is not curative.
The spirochete does not stay in the blood stream for very long but burrows deep into the body.
The only heat therapy that has worked thus far was ICHT performed in Italy, (no long available), and it worked because it was intracelluar reaching every cell in the body.
Research shows that the spirochete dies exposed to heat of 102.2 for five hours, 104.0 for three hours and 105.8 for two hours. Being able to duplicate this safely in the body, as opposed to a laboratory setting, is another matter.
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Dr. J, who treated me, says the high fevers should be left alone, that is as long as it doesn't last for days. The high fever is an indication your immune system is working to fight whatever it is you're fighting. In the mean time, the high fever is killing those spirochetes. And in the words of Martha Stewart, "That's a good thing". ; )
Gary
Posted by kam (Member # 3410) on :
I'd try the bee therapy. I had the opportunity to try it when I first came down sick and regret not trying it.